pal required for purchase of reloading supplies?

cybb486 says" Why would gunpowder be any different?" Answer because it's a different product, not an explosive and not required by law!
 
(a) the buyer’s name and address or the number of their licence, if any, issued under the Firearms Act
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Paatz said:
So you don't need a PAL to buy powder?
But IF you have one you have to provide it?
Or does this refer to some other type of licence?
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That "OR" is important.
It's name and addresses, OR if you have a PAL that number can be used instead.
 
Question "So you don't need a PAL to buy powder?
But IF you have one you have to provide it?"

Answer is no.

Or does this refer to some other type of licence?

A driver's licence will suffice.
 
That's in Ontario and thanks to the Great Ontario Socialist Experiment that saw Bob Rae and his Socialist Rat offspring of unmarried parents elected. He also gave us the Outdoors Card Tax.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
You are making a big mistake. Gun laws are in constant motion; either they are getting better or getting worse, they are never standing still. If you're not working to get them repealed, there's someone out there working to get more. The more you get repealed, the more they have to work to get some of them back in. Don't be "cool with it"; you'll wake up one day and find that things aren't cool and it's too late.
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It's all good... I'll let you guys handle it. :)

By the way, Thanks for all your work. I'm thankful for it.
 
stubblejumper said:
Part of the problem is people referring to smokeless powder as an explosive. It burns, rather than explodes. Different powder burns at different rates, that is why you have so many different kinds of smokeless powder. Why do you think that you have to record the purchases of smokeless powder? Could it be because it can be a hazard by suddenly exploding? Not likely, you can drop a container of smokeless powder on the ground, and it isn't going to explode. If you throw a handful of smokeless powder into an open fire, it will burn , but it won't suddenly explode. Is it because it can be used to make a bomb to explode something? Not really, because it makes for a poor bomb. Could it be because you can make ammunition with smokeless powder, not likely, because you can buy ammunition simply by showing a PAL, and your personal data isn't recorded. In actuality gasoline is much more dangerous, and you don't have to supply your name or address to purchase gasoline. So what legitimate purpose could their be for recording all purchases of smokeless powder?
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Realistically, None.

But at the same time... If someone wants that powder, and all they have to do is dish out currency and show a plastic card (for WHATEVER reason), then they will get that powder.
I really feel like this is blowing things out of proportion. It's JUST showing your card.
Some people don't exactly interpret the law as it is written, and may think they need to 'enforce the rules'.

I wouldn't ever say that gasoline is much more dangerous. The fumes from gasoline, yes, are dangerous and nearly outright explosive. But if you take away the oxygen, gasoline will never ignite.
Smokeless powder on the other hand.. Once it's ignited, that's it, it's burning. Yeah if you splash water on the rest of the pile, it won't continue but the parts that are already burning will continue to do so as it contains its own oxidizer (Which is probably why it's listed in the explosives act, or maybe that's why some companies make you show your PAL or fill out a form for it.. whatever it may be, I'm not 100% certain).

Anyway, lets get back on topic....
I just don't see what's so wrong/bad about showing your PAL to make a reloading related purchase. Seriously.. I don't. You'd show it willingly (because you HAVE too) to buy loaded cartridges, but yet you get your #### in a knot about having to show it for powder?
 
Never been asked. Heck My Mother has picked me up powder and primers when I could not get into Calgary quick enough. Sucks that everything I need sells out so fast! But go old Mom is willing to pick it up for me! Haha
 
Soulfly said:
I wouldn't ever say that gasoline is much more dangerous. The fumes from gasoline, yes, are dangerous and nearly outright explosive. But if you take away the oxygen, gasoline will never ignite.
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Smokeless powder does not give off explosive fumes, and it is much more difficult to ignite in the first place. In almost all cases, there is oxygen present where gasoline is stored.

Smokeless powder on the other hand.. Once it's ignited, that's it, it's burning. Yeah if you splash water on the rest of the pile, it won't continue but the parts that are already burning will continue to do so as it contains its own oxidizer
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So what happens if you pour water on burning gasoline? You spread the fire, making things worse.

Gasoline is also generally stored in much larger amounts than smokeless powder is, so given this, and the factors pointed out previously, gasoline provides at least as much of a hazard as smokeless powder, likely much more of a hazard..
 
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Soulfly said:
Yes sir, I'll get right on that.....

This whole "If you're not with me, you're against me" attitude is pretty childish.
By doing noting, I'm not "becoming part of the problem". I'm simply, NOT picking a side and doing nothing for either case. Does that make sense to you? Normally people with half a head on their shoulders would call that a 'Neutral Opinion'.

I've made my peace with the current gun laws. While I may not like a few of them, I'm still allowed to do the things I like to do with my guns and I'm 100% fine with that. If things actually started to change, then I'll start putting up a fight. But as it sits, "I'm cool with it".
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If you're watching a man being beaten to death, but decide not to get involved, you're not neutral. Remaining neutral is absolutely picking a side. It's picking a side by default.
 
HIGHRPM said:
Its so funny, that you can buy 100 % of what you need to make ammo without any issue, but if you want to buy already made ammo, out comes the ID. I have always said, whoever is making up our laws regarding this stuff has no real idea of what they are doing ! IMO
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Vote Liberal in the next federal election, and Justin will take care of handling these inconsistencies!:rolleyes:
 
stubblejumper said:
Smokeless powder does not give off explosive fumes, and it is much more difficult to ignite in the first place. In almost all cases, there is oxygen present where gasoline is stored.



So what happens if you pour water on burning gasoline? You spread the fire, making things worse.

Gasoline is also generally stored in much larger amounts than smokeless powder is, so given this, and the factors pointed out previously, gasoline provides at least as much of a hazard as smokeless powder, likely much more of a hazard..
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You need to realize that you said "gasoline". Not "gasoline fumes". Gasoline itself is not flammable. And if you it's being stored, it's very likely being vented so that only fumes exist in the tank and then again rendering it useless.
Gunpowder on the other hand is highly flammable and contains it's own oxidizer.

I'm done conversing with you.
Get this post back on topic.

mobusten said:
If you're watching a man being beaten to death, but decide not to get involved, you're not neutral. Remaining neutral is absolutely picking a side. It's picking a side by default.
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No. Doing nothing is JUST that. Doing nothing. I am neither here, nor there.

If I was to decide to 'jump in' on the fight and help out someone in need, then you could say "I'm picking a side".
If I was to 'jump in' and start pulling someone off beating someone else, than you could say "I'm picking a side".

Standing by, or continuing to walk past doesn't constitute "picking a side". You were never involved, and you chose NOT to get involved and therefor you remain neutral.
 
If you're watching a man being beaten to death, but decide not to get involved, you're not neutral. Remaining neutral is absolutely picking a side. It's picking a side by default.
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Exactly, if you just sit back and watch, you either are condoning the act, or you are simply a coward. If you willingly show personal information when you purchase reloading components, when it isn't legally required, you are condoning the stores policy.
 
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seem most people on this forum are too trusting this persons first post is about laws regarding reloading supplies and you all give info willingly he could very well be a anti. some of you would not last 2 seconds in the "hood" :p trust nobody
 
Soulfly said:
You need to realize that you said "gasoline". Not "gasoline fumes". Gasoline itself is not flammable. And if you it's being stored, it's very likely being vented so that only fumes exist in the tank and then again rendering it useless.
Gunpowder on the other hand is highly flammable and contains it's own oxidizer.

I'm done conversing with you.
Get this post back on topic.



No. Doing nothing is JUST that. Doing nothing. I am neither here, nor there.

If I was to decide to 'jump in' on the fight and help out someone in need, then you could say "I'm picking a side".
If I was to 'jump in' and start pulling someone off beating someone else, than you could say "I'm picking a side".

Standing by, or continuing to walk past doesn't constitute "picking a side". You were never involved, and you chose NOT to get involved and therefor you remain neutral.
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“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."
-Desmond Tutu

It's actually a widely held (and very old) philosophical concept.
 
Capebreton said:
As the above mentions. Brass, primers and bullets? I'm asking g about alberta.
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9.3mauser said:
^^^^^^^^^^^ This. ^^^^^^^^^^
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The winner is....
Store Policy, if one does not like or agree with said policy let your wallet dictate that you are not happy.
As for the Desmond Tutu quote...Basic Human Rights will trump your guilt trip attempt every time.
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
FLHTCUI said:
The winner is....
Store Policy, if one does not like or agree with said policy let your wallet dictate that you are not happy.
As for the Desmond Tutu quote...Basic Human Rights will trump your guilt trip attempt every time.
Tight Groups,
Rob
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With store policy ledgers, Mickey Mouse seems to buy a lot of powder...
 
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