PCC pick of the litter?
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Midnight Rider
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- ......the Vanishing Point .
Another vote for the Ruger .....
- Location
- West coast of Vancouver Island
We could collectively make a flow diagram? Perhaps Ruger PCC Backpacker as the default entry point, make Y/N decisions accordingly, move through and out of the Ruger models, end up with the best buy within 5-10 questions. Bartok5's shortlist would get it's own section (in gold) for the elite purests.
Even the 995TS can find love under some criteria!?
Even the 995TS can find love under some criteria!?
Standingtall
Regular
- Location
- Victoria, BC
Problem with the hi-point is the lack of 10rnd mags. It's a 5rnd only mag due to not having pistol mags that fit it.
Another Ruger PCC vote. I have the mall ninja version. At this point I have passed 2000 rounds without a proper cleaning, just punched the bore and given a wipe down every 500 rounds, no disassembly beyond the take-down. I am going to see how long it goes for, it is pretty filthy at the moment.
Just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth, and based on sample size of just my experiences.
My ratings of what I have/had:
1. Freedom Ordnance FX9 - accurate, superb ergonomics, the easiest and fastest field strip down to firing pin (under 15 seconds) of all the ones I have owned. Fun to shoot. Had to send it back to Wolverine to correct an issue with last round bolt hold open and bolt release, but upon receiving back it is smooth like butter. Downsides is that it gets really dirty really fast, and seems to be picky on ammo. FO doesn't recommend shooting aluminum cased ammo out of it. Also, they do recommend a break in period using just 115gr FMJ from certain brands though they never called it a break in period, when I talked with them about it.
2. Ruger PC Carbine - mine is the aluminum handguard version with six position stock. Pluses include ability to take apart easily into two pieces for backpacking. Good gun, reliable, but several things I don't like about it: a) take down requires tools and is involved and takes a lot of time compared to my FX9 b) some components are frail and with take down can wear/break - shock buffer and c clip - replace right away c) gun is barrel heavy on the aluminum HG version, d) the recommended Ruger torque strength of 65 inch pounds (yes, it's in the manual) on the two main screws WILL strip them... That said, it is a Ruger so very reliable and accurate, though not as accurate as my FX9
3. Kriss Vector - interesting design, but novelty wore off fast. Vectoring system is useless on a 9mm, so it's gimmicky they market it on a 9mm. Cannot shoot +p loads. Chunky barrel, heavy. Don't like the charging handle style/function, a bit overpriced for what you are getting. I have since sold mine.
4. Keltec Sub2000. Bought it initially for the folding feature. Found out that novelty wears off. Mine was in .40SW. Several things I didn't like a) onboard sights are TERRIBLE. I can think of worst words to use but that is beyond my personal ethic to use them. b) charging handle design and location I never liked. The CH was extremely heavy to operate even years later. Can't put an optic on it when folding unless you buy a $260 offset mount. And an optic is needed since...well, see point A. The whole thing felt cheap. That said, it always went bang, though because of the light weight and being .40, you really felt the recoil. I did like the fact that the mag was in the grip, though. I have since sold the thing.
EDIT: Oh, I also had a TNW ASR in 9mm, which I sold a couple of years ago. That was OK, can be taken apart in two pieces for backpacking with a simple unscrewing of the barrel. Was OK, no wow factor, but ran fine. Not a fan of the hold the bolt open via a notch - mine slipped occasionally. The support from TNW though, was nonexistent. It took different mags without issue. I sold as I got other PCCs.
My ratings of what I have/had:
1. Freedom Ordnance FX9 - accurate, superb ergonomics, the easiest and fastest field strip down to firing pin (under 15 seconds) of all the ones I have owned. Fun to shoot. Had to send it back to Wolverine to correct an issue with last round bolt hold open and bolt release, but upon receiving back it is smooth like butter. Downsides is that it gets really dirty really fast, and seems to be picky on ammo. FO doesn't recommend shooting aluminum cased ammo out of it. Also, they do recommend a break in period using just 115gr FMJ from certain brands though they never called it a break in period, when I talked with them about it.
2. Ruger PC Carbine - mine is the aluminum handguard version with six position stock. Pluses include ability to take apart easily into two pieces for backpacking. Good gun, reliable, but several things I don't like about it: a) take down requires tools and is involved and takes a lot of time compared to my FX9 b) some components are frail and with take down can wear/break - shock buffer and c clip - replace right away c) gun is barrel heavy on the aluminum HG version, d) the recommended Ruger torque strength of 65 inch pounds (yes, it's in the manual) on the two main screws WILL strip them... That said, it is a Ruger so very reliable and accurate, though not as accurate as my FX9
3. Kriss Vector - interesting design, but novelty wore off fast. Vectoring system is useless on a 9mm, so it's gimmicky they market it on a 9mm. Cannot shoot +p loads. Chunky barrel, heavy. Don't like the charging handle style/function, a bit overpriced for what you are getting. I have since sold mine.
4. Keltec Sub2000. Bought it initially for the folding feature. Found out that novelty wears off. Mine was in .40SW. Several things I didn't like a) onboard sights are TERRIBLE. I can think of worst words to use but that is beyond my personal ethic to use them. b) charging handle design and location I never liked. The CH was extremely heavy to operate even years later. Can't put an optic on it when folding unless you buy a $260 offset mount. And an optic is needed since...well, see point A. The whole thing felt cheap. That said, it always went bang, though because of the light weight and being .40, you really felt the recoil. I did like the fact that the mag was in the grip, though. I have since sold the thing.
EDIT: Oh, I also had a TNW ASR in 9mm, which I sold a couple of years ago. That was OK, can be taken apart in two pieces for backpacking with a simple unscrewing of the barrel. Was OK, no wow factor, but ran fine. Not a fan of the hold the bolt open via a notch - mine slipped occasionally. The support from TNW though, was nonexistent. It took different mags without issue. I sold as I got other PCCs.
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I bought the hipoint asa place holder until I JT is kicked to the curb. I like it is soft shooting and pretty accurate. I did have issues with 1 magazine but that was an easy fix. The sights are better than others mentioned above but make sure you tighten the front one or it will fall down.
nowarningshot
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Haven't seen any mention, so.......
Define pcc. A lieberal defines it as"assault style", wants to prohibit it. Course they're going to prohibit everything, if you don't believe me....just ask them.
Longer to be prohibited, and more politically correct. A lever action pistol caliber carbine. Winchester, Rossi, Marlin whatever your flavor. So fun you need to reload them. Dual caliber, 38/357, 44sp/44mag all seem to have issues feeding the lesser choice. So reload 357 or 44 mag, two foot fireballs of H110 at dusk for the win.
Define pcc. A lieberal defines it as"assault style", wants to prohibit it. Course they're going to prohibit everything, if you don't believe me....just ask them.
Longer to be prohibited, and more politically correct. A lever action pistol caliber carbine. Winchester, Rossi, Marlin whatever your flavor. So fun you need to reload them. Dual caliber, 38/357, 44sp/44mag all seem to have issues feeding the lesser choice. So reload 357 or 44 mag, two foot fireballs of H110 at dusk for the win.
While a lever, bolt or pump-action "Pistol Calibre Carbine" fits the technical definition, I have always personally associated the term with semi-automatic variants of what would otherwise be Submachinegun. So semi-automatic, centerfire, pistol-calibre and relatively compact have always been the hallmarks of a "true" PCC in my mind. I would personally never consider a manually-operated firearm to be a "PCC", but that is just me.... Your mileage may (obviously) vary....
Slipnslide
CGN Regular
- Location
- Ontario, Canada
I watched my buddy open his brand new sub 2k, shoot it under 50 times at which point something in the trigger mechanism broke and would shoot anymore.
Half the fun of a KelTec is learning how it should work, fixing glitches, and installing after market upgrades!? Not for everyone, but once that skill is mastered the S2k is a viable PCC with several unique attributes and a place in the collection.
I picked up one of the Backpacker versions recently and put a Holosun 403 on it. Today was my first day at the range with it, put 100 rounds of Remington UMC 115gr through it, and had 100% reliability.
I took the carbine apart and cleaned it once it arrived, swapped the magwell to the Glock one, picked up a couple of Magpul GL17 mags, and everything worked perfectly. The Ruger mag that it came with rattles around in storage area in the stock, but the Magpul mags fit perfectly.
This little thing was more accurate that I expected, I'm looking forward to getting some use from it.
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I took the carbine apart and cleaned it once it arrived, swapped the magwell to the Glock one, picked up a couple of Magpul GL17 mags, and everything worked perfectly. The Ruger mag that it came with rattles around in storage area in the stock, but the Magpul mags fit perfectly.
This little thing was more accurate that I expected, I'm looking forward to getting some use from it.
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