PCC pick of the litter?

[BigRobb]

I’ve put a few hundred rounds though the K9 now. It’s run flawlessly and is a joy to shoot. Fits me well and the controls and ergonomics are familiar and intuitive. It is a bit on the heavy side, but is weighted well and handles nicely. They were on sale for $1k not long ago.
The pistol grip ruger pc was so obnoxiously nose heavy. Ergonomics weren’t for me either.
Whatever you do, mount a light optic. I put an eotech on the K9, but a sparc ar or a Romeo 5 would be better to keep the weight down.

 

[aboynamedsuita]

No. Try it in the stock format first so you know what you're dealing with.

MCARBO products are generally about ergonomics and feel (and can be worth it for those purposes). As far as reliability goes, they are generally solutions to non-existent problems. If the rifle doesn't work properly out of the box, it needs warranty service (not aftermarket parts).

Thanks for the reality check, I suppose I’d have to go thru 10s of 1000s of rounds to have to bolt bang up the inside of the receiver to the point of “needing” the shock buffer and similar upgrades. Best to try it first as-is to ensure it’s not a lemon

 

[alpining]

Thanks for the reality check, I suppose I’d have to go thru 10s of 1000s of rounds to have to bolt bang up the inside of the receiver to the point of “needing” the shock buffer and similar upgrades. Best to try it first as-is to ensure it’s not a lemon

Honestly I don't feel too strongly about it, especially if you already have a handle on the ins and outs of the firearm and you have a clear plan for why you're installing what. There's just a good argument for trying vanilla by itself before adding the sprinkles, and it too often gets overlooked. That, and the "needs MCARBO to work properly" dogma is just plain wrong, I can't help myself whenever it comes up.

I actually really like the idea of a shock buffer on most straight blowback firearms. It seems to smooth out the recoil impulse whenever I've installed one. If it's done well it won't hurt reliability, and it might improve durability. But there's surely a good reason why manufacturers generally do not design firearms with shock buffers as part of the package.

 

[Scotty454]

My Ruger works great for PCC matches...
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WTF is up with the goofy stock angle?

Honestly I don't feel too strongly about it, especially if you already have a handle on the ins and outs of the firearm and you have a clear plan for why you're installing what. There's just a good argument for trying vanilla by itself before adding the sprinkles, and it too often gets overlooked. That, and the "needs MCARBO to work properly" dogma is just plain wrong, I can't help myself whenever it comes up.

I actually really like the idea of a shock buffer on most straight blowback firearms. It seems to smooth out the recoil impulse whenever I've installed one. If it's done well it won't hurt reliability, and it might improve durability. But there's surely a good reason why manufacturers generally do not design firearms with shock buffers as part of the package.

They're expensive. B&T is the only manufacturer I know of that includes a factory hydraulic buffer, but their guns cost a LOT more than most of the competition. Most people outside of competition shooters probably would be unwilling to pay a couple hundred dollars extra for a hydraulic buffer.

There's aftermarket hydraulic buffers for AR (Buffer tube) style PCCs, and you can also get captive dual spring setups for them. They're both better than the standard buffer weight and spring combo, but they both cost more. I have a hydraulic buffer in my JR Carbine, and a Armaspec Stealth SRS in my SLR upper, both definitely an improvement over stock.

 

[Torandir]

I mean, I've had no issues with my PC9, but it's been heavily modified to look like a FAL at this point. ergonomics are identical to a FAl as well. Also, personally don't have a glock and i find CZ mags are better overall. designed a custom mag block to use them instead.

 

[Scotty454]

I mean, I've had no issues with my PC9, but it's been heavily modified to look like a FAL at this point. ergonomics are identical to a FAl as well. Also, personally don't have a glock and i find CZ mags are better overall. designed a custom mag block to use them instead.

...Is that a 3D printed pic rail...? Are all of your sights mounted on 3D printed plastic??

And the stock adapter, and the magwell, and... Oh god. lol

 

[Torandir]

You got it lol, Ran perfect through the last batch of IPSC matches, including Atlantic Championships, no zero shift and good to 200yds. like 50/50 3d printed and original parts!

 

[CV32]

I mean, I've had no issues with my PC9, but it's been heavily modified to look like a FAL at this point. ergonomics are identical to a FAl as well. Also, personally don't have a glock and i find CZ mags are better overall. designed a custom mag block to use them instead.

This FN FAL mod looks even better in person.

 

[Scotty454]

You got it lol, Ran perfect through the last batch of IPSC matches, including Atlantic Championships, no zero shift and good to 200yds. like 50/50 3d printed and original parts!

You uhh, ever drop it? I 3D print stuff, and deeeeefinitely wouldn't rely on it for what you're doing. I guess you could just re-print the parts if they break. But hey, if it's been working for you, good I guess? Lol

 

[Torandir]

I probably wouldn't trust to drop it hard at the moment. working on the final version that'll be SLS's in CF Nylon, should be as strong as any current AR spec part then

 

[Scotty454]

I probably wouldn't trust to drop it hard at the moment. working on the final version that'll be SLS's in CF Nylon, should be as strong as any current AR spec part then

I dunno about that... Printed parts are just inherently weaker; they like to delaminate at the layers, they'll never be as strong as an injection molded part.

 

[Pringlescanopen]

edit. (sorry, have to learn to reply with quote)

 

[Pringlescanopen]

I strongly recommend that you try to handle a few in person. Handling doesn't seem to matter to everyone, but you might be one of those people that do care. I find all the Ruger PC Carbine models to be needlessly heavy overall, and much too nose-heavy for good handling. The pistol grip version is the worst of the Ruger models on both of those counts.

Also, the pistol grip version doesn't have iron sights, and it can't easily be fitted with BUIS, if that matters to you. The only real advantage with that version is the ability to change to any AR-compatible grip and buttstock.

If you're willing to spend $2-3k, I'd say you should really consider other options.

Yeah, some suggested I order through mail, but I do want to give it a feel before buying. I did also notice that, too, about the weight.. on a lot of the pcc comparison articles, it did seem a couple pounds heavier than many of the others. I just chalked that up to it's durability score (which seemed higher) but was just guessing. Yeah, was thinking $2-3k for gun, ammo, and scope (all in).

Thanks.

 

[Canuck44]

Yeah, some suggested I order through mail, but I do want to give it a feel before buying. I did also notice that, too, about the weight.. on a lot of the pcc comparison articles, it did seem a couple pounds heavier than many of the others. I just chalked that up to it's durability score (which seemed higher) but was just guessing. Yeah, was thinking $2-3k for gun, ammo, and scope (all in).

Thanks.

If you are going to drop $3K on a PCC I would go with the Raven9. Fully decked out in the colour of your choice you will be close to $3k I, an at 700+ rounds with mine and I am finding the more I shoot it the more I like it. I did have a firing pin break but Lockhart sent me two the same day it broke. Since then no more issues. The gun is easy to clean, ultimately convertible to other calibers and easy to work work on. Fit and finish is light years better than the FX9 which is a gun I really like as well. If you like to tinker with different barrels, triggers and AR furniture the gun is a tinkerers dream. Mine works with KVI and SHK mags best. CV2 says his works well with Magpul. Mine chokes on several variants of Glock OEM mags.

Take Care

Bob

 

[Andronicus]

I enjoy my 10mm Kriss Vector.

Have you ever tried shooting .40S&W in your 10mm Kriss Vector?

 

[joemanco]

Yeah, was thinking $2-3k for gun, ammo, and scope (all in).

For sure, the gun part is the small cost of the total package. Factor in magazines, tools, safe storage, memberships, a few accessories. YMMV but owning just a single firearm in any cartridge means the total investment is hanging off the availability of replacing a single proprietary spring or pin in the rarely-convenient future. Two is one, etc.

 

[Pringlescanopen]

If you are going to drop $3K on a PCC I would go with the Raven9. Fully decked out in the colour of your choice you will be close to $3k I, an at 700+ rounds with mine and I am finding the more I shoot it the more I like it. I did have a firing pin break but Lockhart sent me two the same day it broke. Since then no more issues. The gun is easy to clean, ultimately convertible to other calibers and easy to work work on. Fit and finish is light years better than the FX9 which is a gun I really like as well. If you like to tinker with different barrels, triggers and AR furniture the gun is a tinkerers dream. Mine works with KVI and SHK mags best. CV2 says his works well with Magpul. Mine chokes on several variants of Glock OEM mags.

Take Care

Bob

Thanks, Canuck. I am wondering from what I read and heard if the Raven is worth that much more than the Ruger. I am pretty noob, so if there is anything to repair, that would be stress.lol. I do plan on getting a 270 in the summer but wouldn't mind spending extra $ on a superb pcc if it paid out. Really fancying the reliability the ruger seems to be good for.

 

[Pringlescanopen]

For sure, the gun part is the small cost of the total package. Factor in magazines, tools, safe storage, memberships, a few accessories. YMMV but owning just a single firearm in any cartridge means the total investment is hanging off the availability of replacing a single proprietary spring or pin in the rarely-convenient future. Two is one, etc.

Yup. The wife is now insisting she comes with me.lol Going baby steps but want to get out there and have fun intially. If I see something I want but can't afford, I'll wait.

 

[Pringlescanopen]

Really going to have to look around. A few non faves here of the Ruger, but another point is that from all the shops I have checked in my 100 mile radius, the options seem limited. Even the Ruger, and not many mentions if at all of the ones that are available. The ones mentioned here aren't offered and the ones that are offered aren't mentioned. Tbh tho, if a ruger came in shipment tomorrow, I would get it, but in the meantime, yeah, I will shop. Thanks.

 

[Canuck44]

Thanks, Canuck. I am wondering from what I read and heard if the Raven is worth that much more than the Ruger. I am pretty noob, so if there is anything to repair, that would be stress.lol. I do plan on getting a 270 in the summer but wouldn't mind spending extra $ on a superb pcc if it paid out. Really fancying the reliability the ruger seems to be good for.

Morning. I wanted a carbine to compete with as well as one I could use as as a range gun. The Raven9 ticked all the boxes and was Canadian made.
I had a RugerPCC , my 2nd, that was accurate, well made, defined reliability and was without drama. It was heavy though and would not meet my demands for a competition rifle for me. I am well past the trophy collection stage of my life but we all know how much better we would do if we just had a better....

The Ruger is an excellent gun for what it is. The plain Jane version is the one to get IMHO. The pistol grip versions that I have tried add front heavy issues to an already heavy gun. If you want a rifle that is right priced, well made, reliable and accurate and all you want is a range plinker that you can spend a grand to make it look like a warriors toy buy the Ruger. It will serve the range toy as well as some and better than most I can think of.

If you want a, versatile carbine that fits all the things Ruger will do but also gives you a quality carbine for competition, you will look cool with it, Canadian made, AND can be converted to multiple calbers the Raven wins hands down.

Lastly, I am certain there are folks out there that would own me in a competition using the Ruger PCC. There will be some who have converted the Ruger into a basement dwellers wet dream but will still be a Ruger, well made. accurate and reliable but heavy. I love the gun, just didn't meet all my needs.

Take Care

Bob