PCC pick of the litter?

Purchased my Ruger 9mm Carbine, pistol grip. I love it but havent fired it yet. Was told there would be sales soon, so held of on the scope/red dot, case, and ammo.

Was blown away by seeing that we have 556 mm semi-autos in tactical look. I probably would have gotten one of them if I had known they are allowed. Now will probably pick one of them over a 270 in the summer. Cripes. So all that ar-15 talk means nothing.
 
Pringlescanopen said:
Purchased my Ruger 9mm Carbine, pistol grip. I love it but havent fired it yet. Was told there would be sales soon, so held of on the scope/red dot, case, and ammo.

Was blown away by seeing that we have 556 mm semi-autos in tactical look. I probably would have gotten one of them if I had known they are allowed. Now will probably pick one of them over a 270 in the summer. Cripes. So all that ar-15 talk means nothing.
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AR's are still banned. What makes you think otherwise?

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
[/B]AR's are still banned. What makes you think otherwise?

Take Care

Bob
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Yeah, for sure. I just thought anything remotely similar would be as well. Do still think I will probably just stick with the 270 in the summer, tho. If I do decide to hunt, if will probably be a better deer gun and the ruger should satisfy the 'fun' stuff.
 
alpining said:
I strongly recommend that you try to handle a few in person. Handling doesn't seem to matter to everyone, but you might be one of those people that do care. I find all the Ruger PC Carbine models to be needlessly heavy overall, and much too nose-heavy for good handling. The pistol grip version is the worst of the Ruger models on both of those counts.

Also, the pistol grip version doesn't have iron sights, and it can't easily be fitted with BUIS, if that matters to you. The only real advantage with that version is the ability to change to any AR-compatible grip and buttstock.

If you're willing to spend $2-3k, I'd say you should really consider other options.
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The above and the post the follows it are two of the best pieces advice the OP is going to get. Read them twice then act on them.

Take Care

Bob
ps The basic Ruger is a solid performer though heavier than it needs to be. The other versions are heavier and the pistol grip model is, as others hace said the eorst of the models.
 
Canuck44 said:
The above and the post the follows it are two of the best pieces advice the OP is going to get. Read them twice then act on them.

Take Care

Bob
ps The basic Ruger is a solid performer though heavier than it needs to be. The other versions are heavier and the pistol grip model is, as others hace said the eorst of the models.
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The basic version of the PC Carbine is definitely more comfortable to handle than the noticeably front heavy aluminum handguard version. Trying hanging a flash light off the aluminum handguard one - it really makes the weight distribution even more unbalanced. I have put on either a vertical foregrip or an angled foregrip to help with the weight, but for me it doesn't mitigate much.

I have a buddy who bought the regular version and told me he didn't get what my issue was with the aluminum handguard version. I lent mine to him for a couple of weeks and he acknowledged that yeah, shooting a couple of rounds here or there is OK. But you really start noticing the weight when you start going hundreds of rounds, whereas his basic version was much more palatable.
 
I have had the JR carbine in 9mm. It failed mechanically while using it in 3 gun.

I had the sub 2000. it didnt stand up

I had the ruger carbine. It had mag/ firing pin issues.

But I still have the ugly High Point carbine in 9mm and 45. They just wont break ! I have abused mine for several years. Hardly ever clean them.
Simple Blow back action that never gives issues.
I laughed when I bought them,..but they have earned my respect over and over.
They have Better accuracy at distance than all the other PCC rifles I have owned.
 
I have a S&W FPC and I really like it! I’ve put about 300 rounds through it or various ammo and never had any issues. I have a vortex crossfire red dot on it and an olight light/laser combo on it. It’s really accurate at 100 yards and it’s a nice light setup that folds for easy storage. I was never a fan of the looks of the sub2000s and the fact that you couldn’t easily keep an optic mounted (prior to the gen3). Was another reason to go with the FPC. My buddy shot it at the range with me one day and liked it so much went that week and got his own. Another choice would be the fx9. I’ve heard nothing but good things about it and is on my list of future purchases. I’ll be going with the 8 or 10’’ Barrel tho.
 
I'm very pleased with my Kodiak K9. About 500 rounds of 115 and 124 grain through it without any issues. A little on the heavy side but very accurate...even when barrel heats up. Easy to strip down and takes a wide variety of AR parts. Relatively inexpensive... usually on sale somewhere. My son liked mine so much that he bought one for himself. Two thumbs up!
 
If accuracy is the main criteria the Thureon Defense is likely the best that is still non restricted.
If reliability is the main criteria i would go with the ruger pc carbine.
 
lone ranger said:
I have had the JR carbine in 9mm. It failed mechanically while using it in 3 gun.

I had the sub 2000. it didnt stand up

I had the ruger carbine. It had mag/ firing pin issues.

But I still have the ugly High Point carbine in 9mm and 45. They just wont break ! I have abused mine for several years. Hardly ever clean them.
Simple Blow back action that never gives issues.
I laughed when I bought them,..but they have earned my respect over and over.
They have Better accuracy at distance than all the other PCC rifles I have owned.
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Only problem with the Hi-Point is, you can only get 5 shot mags, I believe.
 
trebor2880 said:
Only problem with the Hi-Point is, you can only get 5 shot mags, I believe.
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No....if you use the pistol mag,.." that's identical, except it has a different serial number" your good to go. CRAZY just crazy.
The 1st HP carbine I bought came with a 10 round non pinned pistol mag. the 2nd HP came with a pinned carbine mag.

make sense out of all that LOL
 
I own many, , my absolute favourite is the JR carbine, very heavy duty, works great. they didnt cut corners, also , fully ambidextrous. Next up is the TNW AERO, nice to shoot, very reliable. I did not like my SUB 2k, and sold it. replaced it with the S&W FPC, turns out the FPC is a keeper, but hard to shoot and aim considering the mounting rail is so far forward on the barrel that it's hard to choose an optic that works good, and makes the open sights that are included almost non usable. I also own the HI-POINT 4595 And I have found it to be a good shooter, but very little modificatiions are possible on this gun, but for the price, it's great. It may not fall in the same catagory, but I also own 2 of the KEL-TEC CMR-30 and these are just the cat's meow in quality and they shoot amazing, lightweight and very accurate 22wmr.

some other options are the RUGER PC9, CHIAPPA M1-9, FX9 , GSG MP40-9MM , Kodiak defence, Kriss vector, and even Henry Homestead 9mm. Most manufacturer's are jumping on the pcc wagon so there will be more to come.

For the price, look at the JR Carbine, I've seen it go on sale for 799 at tenda in the last month. worth it's weight.

I hope this helps.
 
A little known pcc is the ppk brno kms619 in 9mm. It's similar to the 581, 611 etc series. Seems few have heard of it, including on youtube.
 
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