Here is a few M1 / M2 carbines. I have no idea were the pic was taken from. Found it it was at the bottom of the pic. Korean War.
Second from the left: Sgt.Tommy Prince - Canada's most decorated aboriginal veteren.
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Second from the left: Sgt.Tommy Prince - Canada's most decorated aboriginal veteren.
This is a very interesting photo, most of the officers in this photo have traded the 9mm Sten , for the more potent and reliable M1,M2 carbine, with over 6 million carbines produced,the M1 carbine was the most mass produced small arm, in 4 years, also either loved or despised, depending on what veteran you talked to, the officer or nco at far left has managed to scoop up a Brit Mk V. sten, as you can see the wooden butt stock, any Canadian sten i have seen has the skeleton stock.
I did a little research on google, and in the book Canada's Intrepid Warriors, Sgt, Tommy Prince had a uneasy and stormy relationship, with his company CO, Major George Flint, Prince a decorated second world war vet, and had enlisted with the PPCLI, at the out break of the Korean War, Prince was a very aggressive NCO, when it came to patrolling and bringing the war to the enemy, Major Flint felt that Prince took too many risks, both to himself and Major Flints company.
On a sadder note Major Flint was killed by a Jordanian sniper on May 26-1958, while trying to diffuse a firefight between Israeli and Jordanian troops on Mount Scopus
Re the Sten...
I know my father, who was a WW2 vet, trained in England using the Thompson submachine gun. When it was time for his formation to embark for Normandy, all the Thompsons were to be exchanged for Stens. Well my father and all the other NCOs managed (unofficially) to keep their 'Tommy guns' as well as their .45s. Seems the 9mm Sten was not liked.
I don't know if it was the Sten's reputation for unreliability or, as I suspect, the preference for the firepower of multiple .45 caliber bullets slamming into the enemy which endeared the Thompson to my father and his comrades in arms.
The Sten is so much lighter than a Thompson. If i was probably not going to need the gun, I would rather carry a Sten.
The Thompson (loaded) is very heavy gun. I am guessing 12 pounds. Sure feels that way. If I had to use a gun, I prefer the Thompson because it has a slower rate of fire (1928) and is more accurate. I have not fired a M1 Tommy, which shoots faster.
The Thompson (loaded) is very heavy gun. I am guessing 12 pounds. Sure feels that way. If I had to use a gun, I prefer the Thompson because it has a slower rate of fire (1928) and is more accurate. I have not fired a M1 Tommy, which shoots faster.
That would be Francis Pegahmagabow: Military Medal and two bars. One about 30 Canadians in WWI who were awarded the MM three times.
Bet they did too!
Fascinating Late WW2 Footage...The Tangermünde bridge
This is some of the most dramatic WW2 film footage I have ever seen!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VF2yBjXJ-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3VF2yBjXJ-k#t=79
This is some of the most dramatic WW2 film footage I have ever seen!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VF2yBjXJ-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3VF2yBjXJ-k#t=79
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I think you'll find either model of thompson run much faster then a sten. Stens usually run between 6-700 rpm....thompsons run more like 1000-1100 rpm. Right on the money for weight though, loaded with 20 rounds 12 lbs. The sten doesn't instill much confidence but the later marks worked pretty well. First ones not so much. Users developed a technique of shooting with the gun on it's side to aid ejection via gravity. Mags where never very good in any of them.
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Everyone loved the tommy gun till they had to carry it. In the field, they often got dumped and replaced with a MP 38/40 or a Beretta for those in Italy.
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My father liked the 1928A1.
The 20 round magazine was issued.
Here is a War Bonds poster printed in 1943.
The poster drawing depicts him leading his Regiment ashore at Dieppe.
In his holster rests a Colt 1911 pistol.
I am pleased to say, that I still have that pistol in my possession.
The 20 round magazine was issued.
Here is a War Bonds poster printed in 1943.
The poster drawing depicts him leading his Regiment ashore at Dieppe.
In his holster rests a Colt 1911 pistol.
I am pleased to say, that I still have that pistol in my possession.
I've recently returned from a battlefield tour which, of course, featured Dieppe beach (and Puys...my Regiment's baptism of fire).
Standing with one's back to the sea and scanning from side to side, one realizes what a hell hole that "reconnaissance in force" was.
The headlands and cliffs provided enfilade fields of murderous fire.
The FMR were royally screwed when, because of misinterpretation of radio messages, they were sent in as the reserve force at a time when the battle was already lost.
Standing with one's back to the sea and scanning from side to side, one realizes what a hell hole that "reconnaissance in force" was.
The headlands and cliffs provided enfilade fields of murderous fire.
The FMR were royally screwed when, because of misinterpretation of radio messages, they were sent in as the reserve force at a time when the battle was already lost.
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My father liked the 1928A1.
The 20 round magazine was issued.
Here is a War Bonds poster printed in 1943.
The poster drawing depicts him leading his Regiment ashore at Dieppe.
In his holster rests a Colt 1911 pistol.
I am pleased to say, that I still have that pistol in my possession.
nice familly history!
R.I.P to your father he deserve all our respect for what he does for the canada...
your father was a french canadian??
nice you have that pistol
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Thank you for the kind words.
Indeed he was French Canadian, as were most of the other members of his Regiment.
He died in 1997.
Brigadier General Dollard Ménard 1913-1997
I have been maintaining that pistol and others, for more than sixty years.
On certain special anniversaries. I very respectfully fire a few rounds though it.
Indeed he was French Canadian, as were most of the other members of his Regiment.
He died in 1997.
Brigadier General Dollard Ménard 1913-1997
I have been maintaining that pistol and others, for more than sixty years.
On certain special anniversaries. I very respectfully fire a few rounds though it.
nice familly history!
R.I.P to your father he deserve all our respect for what he does for the canada...
your father was a french canadian??
nice you have that pistol
I am fortunate to own FA guns. Have shot all of them a fair amount. I find all but the C2 to be surprisingly accurate. C2 is just a noise maker. Cannot even begin to compare it to the Bren.
The only Thompson I own is a 1928. Rate of fire, at a guess is around 650 -700. Sten seems faster. PPSH41 seems even faster. I don't know where you get 1000 RPM for the Thompson, but I don't think that is true of mine. I am told the M1 (no blish block) is faster, but 1,000 still seems unlikely.
Amen, bro! We quickly learned on run downs with the C2 that if you wanted any kind of score, you did not shoot it in bursts, but only as a semi-auto. Then it was qite good due the weight.
I remember in basic being told tat the fact that the C2 scattered it's rds in FA made it a GOOD LAR!! Even as recruits we knew that was malarkey. The instructor said the Bren was TOO accurate for the role.
We were also told that the laminate stocks of the AK47 (and other Soviet weaponry) were too fragile for hard use.
Sounds like that instructor was more a bull #### artist then speaking from a point of knowledge. Did he also say the back in the day they would just throw a Sten into a room full of Germans and let it go on a wild shooting spree? I had the same type of idea instructor on my CLC telling us the same crap about the C2 being an "area weapon" thank god all those old hacks/"time servers" are retired and a newer, more switched on, generation of soldier is in uniform.
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I've shot them, but probably not near as much as you, so i'll bow to your personal experience. The last one i fired was a M1, and it certainly was running over 800, maybe 9. The last sten i shot, i could pop off single shots it cycled so slow, probably running 550ish? Mind you the M3 made it seem like it was moving...you can almost count the rounds it fires so slow..but a hoot to play with. and it keeps the wallet a little fatter...PPS is on my wish list, in good shape they're supposed to run around 1100
Never got to run a C2, i envy you. Those i've talked to who did all concurred with your comment though.
I thought the C2 was accurate enough, but I always wondered why we went that route rather than converting our BRENs to 7.62 as did the Brits. It was a pretty easy modification and we had already turned out quantities of BRENs in 8x57 as war aid for the Chinese, so a leap to the 7.62 would have been easy. I can understand the desire for simplified logistics by having a rifle and LMG with parts commonality, but I really don't think that the C2 was up to the BREN, if only by reason of it's lacking a quick change barrel. The US went down the same path with an LMG version of the M14, and that didn't pan out well either. It would have been interesting to have been a fly on the wall when they evaluated the C2 against the BREN to whatever extent this was done. There was a lot of recent combat experience in the Army who would have seen the lack of a quick barrel changeout as a show-stopper for an LMG, but politics are always there to some extent and the opinion of the senior rank present often becomes the best solution.
Interestingly we have now arrived at a situation where we see 3 very different weapons in the infantry section (C7, C6, and C9) which kind of shoots down the common training/parts/logistics support idea. We suffered through quite a few yrs of using the 7.62 GPMG conversion of the M1919 .30 cal BMG which never worked as well as the original. Thankfully we never had to put either the C2 or 7.62 GPMG to the real test.
Interestingly we have now arrived at a situation where we see 3 very different weapons in the infantry section (C7, C6, and C9) which kind of shoots down the common training/parts/logistics support idea. We suffered through quite a few yrs of using the 7.62 GPMG conversion of the M1919 .30 cal BMG which never worked as well as the original. Thankfully we never had to put either the C2 or 7.62 GPMG to the real test.
