thank you for the link, very interesting bit of ww2 history
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thank you for the link, very interesting bit of ww2 history
I recall a lecture by some SAS types who had gone into the Falklands early. They were carrying M16s.
They were being shot at with FALs. They commented that the big 7.62 bullet would create shrapnel from the rocks and gravel and was therefore a more effective weapon.
They were being shot at with FALs. They commented that the big 7.62 bullet would create shrapnel from the rocks and gravel and was therefore a more effective weapon.
I've been to the Falklands and seen some of the battlefields. The terrain is generally open with rocky ridges in places and long engagement ranges which favor the use of a heavier bullet.
Yah but .... you could carry more ammo if it was 5.56mm. Isn't that one of the reasons it was adopted? I remember it being touted as capable of penetrating a steel helmet at 600 yds.
You don't see moose being dropped with the .223, but it's OK to shoot men with it. The logic of it escapes me. Must be the immutable "military intelligence" thing again.
You don't see moose being dropped with the .223, but it's OK to shoot men with it. The logic of it escapes me. Must be the immutable "military intelligence" thing again.
it takes 4 men to carry one wounded of the field, it only takes one to dig a grave, at least that’s how i remember this issue being explained, its simplistic, cause it doesn’t explains the resources that have to go behind taking care for a wounded soldier, but it’s close enough for grunts to understand
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The AR has proven itself a long-lasting, flexible system. The longest-serving rifle in US military history. And it can get a little weird:
The M231 Port Firing Weapon. 1200 RPM, they say. URRRP!
The R0633, a 9mm blowback AR made expressly for the Department of Energy. Just the thing for guarding American nuclear facilities:
And the .50 Beowulf puts 45-70 power in an AR-15 platform.
It ain't perfect, but if it wasn't pretty damn good on a lot of fronts, we would have been rid of it by now.
The M231 Port Firing Weapon. 1200 RPM, they say. URRRP!
The R0633, a 9mm blowback AR made expressly for the Department of Energy. Just the thing for guarding American nuclear facilities:
And the .50 Beowulf puts 45-70 power in an AR-15 platform.
It ain't perfect, but if it wasn't pretty damn good on a lot of fronts, we would have been rid of it by now.
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the whole 5.56 thing is a product of the US military not wanting to adopt anything not US made and that there was nothing wrong with the 30-06.
well there are problems with 7.62x51 in a full auto compact rifle design. You need a battle rifle with weight to make it somewhat controllable. Once they figured that out they went the opposite way and grabbed something that looked ###y, the 222 and ran with that idea. IF ONLY they would have used the idea ammunition trials to guide them we would not be still looking.
it was determined the idea caliber is between 6 and 7mm with the ability to penetrate a helmet at 600m. In an effort to placate the Americans on the board the final offering was a 7x43mm that was adopted briefly by the British, good for full auto and compact designs (EM2) but still had enough punch to a LMG. FN had designed the FN SLR originally for that round before scaling it up to 7.62x51.
and now the US Army is back talking about the 6.8mm... 60 years later.
well there are problems with 7.62x51 in a full auto compact rifle design. You need a battle rifle with weight to make it somewhat controllable. Once they figured that out they went the opposite way and grabbed something that looked ###y, the 222 and ran with that idea. IF ONLY they would have used the idea ammunition trials to guide them we would not be still looking.
it was determined the idea caliber is between 6 and 7mm with the ability to penetrate a helmet at 600m. In an effort to placate the Americans on the board the final offering was a 7x43mm that was adopted briefly by the British, good for full auto and compact designs (EM2) but still had enough punch to a LMG. FN had designed the FN SLR originally for that round before scaling it up to 7.62x51.
and now the US Army is back talking about the 6.8mm... 60 years later.
Death
Bismarck spent his final years composing his memoirs (Gedanken und Erinnerungen, or Thoughts and Memories), a work lauded by historians.[118] In the memoirs Bismarck continued his feud with Wilhelm II by attacking him here, and by increasing the drama around every event and by often presenting himself in a favorable light. He also published the text of the Reinsurance Treaty with Russia, a major breach of national security, for which an individual of lesser status would have been heavily prosecuted.
Bismarck's health began to fail in 1896. He was diagnosed with gangrene in his foot, but refused to accept treatment for it; as a result he had difficulty walking and was often confined to a wheelchair. By July 1898 he was permanently wheelchair-bound, had trouble breathing, and was almost constantly feverish and in pain. His health rallied momentarily on the 28th, but then sharply deteriorated over the next two days. He died just after midnight on 30 July 1898, at the age of eighty-three in Friedrichsruh,[119] where he is entombed in the Bismarck Mausoleum. He was succeeded as Prince Bismarck by his eldest son, Herbert. Bismarck managed a posthumous snub of Wilhelm II by having his own sarcophagus inscribed with the words, "A loyal German servant of Emperor Wilhelm I".[120]
Yup, killing your enemy is counter productive. Takes a couple of guys with shovels to bury him, but ties up all kinds of personnel and resources keeping him alive.
Remember the same lecture.Grizz
Death
Bismarck spent his final years composing his memoirs (Gedanken und Erinnerungen, or Thoughts and Memories), a work lauded by historians.[118] In the memoirs Bismarck continued his feud with Wilhelm II by attacking him here, and by increasing the drama around every event and by often presenting himself in a favorable light. He also published the text of the Reinsurance Treaty with Russia, a major breach of national security, for which an individual of lesser status would have been heavily prosecuted.
Bismarck's health began to fail in 1896. He was diagnosed with gangrene in his foot, but refused to accept treatment for it; as a result he had difficulty walking and was often confined to a wheelchair. By July 1898 he was permanently wheelchair-bound, had trouble breathing, and was almost constantly feverish and in pain. His health rallied momentarily on the 28th, but then sharply deteriorated over the next two days. He died just after midnight on 30 July 1898, at the age of eighty-three in Friedrichsruh,[119] where he is entombed in the Bismarck Mausoleum. He was succeeded as Prince Bismarck by his eldest son, Herbert. Bismarck managed a posthumous snub of Wilhelm II by having his own sarcophagus inscribed with the words, "A loyal German servant of Emperor Wilhelm I".[120]
Good argument for euthanasia in this pic.
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That is very likely a post mortem photo. The cloth tied around his head to keep the jaw closed is one clue. Photos like this were the norm at that time, much like the practice of making death masks before photography became available.
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Bismark was quite the guy. Very capable thinker.
Some years later, some lads in town for..."a thing"... pay tribute to similar lads lost a generation before in the Franco Prussian Awkwardness of 1870.
Some years later, some lads in town for..."a thing"... pay tribute to similar lads lost a generation before in the Franco Prussian Awkwardness of 1870.
