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Some of the stuff that comes out of areas all over the world where private ownership of firearms is banned or for some reason hard to get is phenomenal. One very famous area is the Khyber Pass area. I would love to take a tour through their workshops. Many are so primitive the vise used to hold pieces is a pair of feet. Gunsmiths apprentice or are indentured to the builders at very young ages. One youngster was only six years old in one video I watched. He was very proud to be chosen for the prestigious position at such a young age. The only problem is that I likely wouldn't survive the tour.

Perceived need is the mother of invention. Those self taught builders seldom have any background in metallurgy or are even literate. They are just out of the box type thinkers that are willing to put the time and effort into giving something a try. Often such pieces are more dangerous to the user than the intended victims.

I remember a "Bush" rifle that was made from an old drive train bar. It was square. The hole down the center had been pre bored by the factory to lighten it and reduce stress and was very close in diameter to the 577 Snider round. The stock was a piece of scrap wood and the trigger assembly was made from a piece of scrap metal. The spring that operated the firing pin was on the outside of the receiver and had to be disconnected to open the breach and reload. The firing pin was formed from an exhaust valve. It was ugly as sin but it worked well enough to kill a village marauder so that the maker could claim his rifle as a prize. The firearm was passed on to the next fellow that wanted to use it to get a more reliable firearm. Soldiers, police, wardens etc, anyone that carried a decent firearm and was considered fair game if they were considered to be a problem.

When we were kids and radio antennae were made of stiff hollow tubing, we made zip guns up and used them for barrels. We cut them off right where the 22 rf cartridge would fit just tight enough that it was fairly simple to push the fired case out with a nail. Were these zip guns accurate or safe to shoot??? Hell no but they were a lot of fun.
 
My late Father was a member of the SLI on duty for a while at #10 Downing St. during part of the Blitz and his version of old Winston was the same except the whiskey was in fact a mug of Rum...... a large mug..

Kevan, I am trying to send you a personal message but the site won't let me do this until you clear some storage space. Thanks, Rob
 
I was travelling overland in 1968 and before the bus went through the Khyber Pass, a local, complete with No. 1 Mk. 3 Lee Enfield and bandoliers of ammunition, got on the bus and collected a head tax of one Rupee from everyone.

Every one in the area was armed and as one air force officer put it, about carrying a .38 in a holster with a belt of ammunition, "I carry this in case some has an aggression against me".

At Herat I had 75 Afghan afghanis ($10.00 US in 1968) and the choice to spend it on was a Cossack saber, or a hand made .25ACP automatic with a holster and bandolier, so I chose the smooth bore pistol as it was easier to transport.

Two days on the express bus, from Kabul to Kandahar, and then from Kandahar to Herat was about $2.35 US. The express bus being a yellow school bus with wood seats, live stock and instrument playing locals.

A common joke among the Afghanis was, "Look at the buildings the Americans built, and look at the roads the Russians have built, that's' so they can invade us".
 
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I had a Nepalese .577 Snider copy I bought from Lever Arms years ago. I regarded it as unsafe to fire and bought it as a 'curio'. Alan Lever never warranted any of the guns he sold, but he was pretty clear that these guns were non-shooters.
The barrel had a noticeable curve from breech to muzzle, hand made screws, etc. Comparing it to the P-H Musketoon and two bander I owned at the time was laughable.

I traded it to a hippy burnout jeweller on Vancouver's west Fourth Avenue for a bauble my lady friend wanted. I made him understand that it was best used as a wall hanger in his eclectic shop.
Sometime later, he told me had made up some brass cases from the tubing of an old trombone, and using shotshell primers, Minies and a can of BP he got from the 'smith in the same neighbourhood, had actually fired it! I was appalled, but he just shrugged it off saying that he was a little high when he did it.

This thing had Nepalese (Pashtun? Pakistani?) script in a few places and what resembled Victorian proof marks.
 
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Speaking of WW2 and homemade guns, here's Warsaw:

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The SMG in the foreground is the indigenously-manufactured "Blyskawica", created in a hurry, manufactured in conditions the lads in the Kyber Pass would find primitive, and used with substantial, if futile, effect.

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Good writeup here:
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/submachine-guns/polish-blyskawica-smg/
 
There is enough info on the link for any machinist worth his pay to make such a firearm. That ought to cause a few anxiety attacks amongst the antis!

Even easier today with CNC machining and 3d printers. I think that the magazines might be the biggest challenge for a fully functional automatic arm.

I believe that the Wehrmacht Waffenampt made a similar clone of the Sten with vertical magazine. It was rejected by Hitler as not of a suitable quality for his soldiers.
 
Speaking of WW2 and homemade guns, here's Warsaw:

Warsaw_Uprising_Batalion_Kili%C5%84ski_(1944).jpg


The SMG in the foreground is the indigenously-manufactured "Blyskawica", created in a hurry, manufactured in conditions the lads in the Kyber Pass would find primitive, and used with substantial, if futile, effect.

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Good writeup here:
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/submachine-guns/polish-blyskawica-smg/

Everybody made copies of STEN guns INCLUDING THE IRA, and even the Germans, (MP3008)
 
There's over-generalized multi-role vehicles (F-35, I'm looking at you), and then there's the way, WAY over-specialized vehicle...

The Chrysler Marsh Screw Amphibian. Never made it past initial testing (and marketing):

 

There is enough info on the link for any machinist worth his pay to make such a firearm. That ought to cause a few anxiety attacks amongst the antis!

Even easier today with CNC machining and 3d printers. I think that the magazines might be the biggest challenge for a fully functional automatic arm.

I believe that the Wehrmacht Waffenampt made a similar clone of the Sten with vertical magazine. It was rejected by Hitler as not of a suitable quality for his soldiers.

Everybody made copies of STEN guns INCLUDING THE IRA, and even the Germans, (MP3008)

That was a good read. Thanks Dan.

Calling it a sten copy is like calling a CZ858 an AK47. Just because something looks vaguely like something else does not make it a copy.
 
I once took off with one end of the passenger seat seat belt flapping outside the door. It made a terrible racket. Until I figured out what was causing the noise, I thought I had a serious structural problem.

I can't imagine the wind noise and the racket caused by a 50 BMG flapping in a 200mph wind and pounding the side of the plane. Looks like they took a flack round in the nose. I wonder if the entire crew came down with it, or did most bail when back to England?
 
I'm assuming you can just open the door real quick and pull the belt in like in a car
I once took off with one end of the passenger seat seat belt flapping outside the door. It made a terrible racket. Until I figured out what was causing the noise, I thought I had a serious structural problem.

I can't imagine the wind noise and the racket caused by a 50 BMG flapping in a 200mph wind and pounding the side of the plane. Looks like they took a flack round in the nose. I wonder if the entire crew came down with it, or did most bail when back to England?
 
Pretty sure the B-17 made it back to base. The landing gear is out jeeps behind it all that. damage could've been either flak or enemy fighters. The Luftwaffe's favourite tactic against bomber formations was to attack head on. with their Fw-190s and Bf109-G variants which all had either 20mm or 30mm cannons. I think the B-17 was hit in the navigators compartment
 
Two photos of the same B-17E (same tail numbers) In air and back at base, don't even know what could've caused this but amazing that the crew got her back on the ground in 1....well 2 pieces

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Two photos of the same B-17E (same tail numbers) In air and back at base, don't even know what could've caused this but amazing that the crew got her back on the ground in 1....well 2 pieces

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Seen these pictures before. I may be wrong but I believe that it was another aircraft, can't remember the story now.
 
A B-17 WAR STORY

THE "ALL AMERICAN" AIRCRAFT TAIL #- 124406

A mid-air collision on 1, February 1943, between a B-17 and a German fighter over the Tunis dock area, became one of the most famous photographs of W-II.

An enemyfighter attacking a 97th Bomb Group formation went out of control, and then coninued its crashing decent into the rear of the fuselage of a B-17 flying fortress named "ALL AMERICAN", piloted by Lt. Kendrick R. Bragg, of the 414 Bomb Squadron. When it struck, the fighter broke apart, but left some pieces in the B-17. The left horizontal stabilizer and left elevator were torn away. The two right engines were out and one on the left had an oil leak. The vertical fin and rudder were damaged and the fuselage had been cut almost completely through, connected only by two small parts of the air frame and the radios, with the electrical and oxygen systems damaged. There was also a hole over 16 feet long and 4 feet wide at its widest and a split in the fuselage that went all the way to the top of the gunners turret>

Although the tail actually bounced and swayed in the wind and twisted when the plane turned and all the control cables were severed, except one elevator cable, the aircraft still flew - miraculously! The tail gunner was trapped as there was no floor connecting the tail to the rest of the aircraft. The waist and tail gunners used parts of the German fighter and their parachute harnesses in an attempt to keep the tail from ripping off and the sides of the fuselage from splitting apart. While the crew was trying to keep the bomber from coming apart, the pilot continued on his bomb run and released his bombs over the target.

When the bomb bay doors opened the wind turbulence was so great that it blew one of the waist gunners into the broken tail section. It took several minutes, four crew members and ropes made from parachute cord to haul him back into the forward part of the aircraft. When they tried to do the same for the tail gunner, the tail began flapping so hard that it began to break off. The weight of the gunner was adding stability to the tail section, so he stayed at his position.

The turn torward England had to be very slow to keep the tail from twisting off. They actually covered almost 70 miles to make the turn home. The bomber was so badly damaged that it was loosinf altitude and speed and was soon alone in the sky. For a brief time, two more ME- 109 German fighters attacked "THE ALL AMERICAN". Despite the extensive damage, all the machine gunners were able to respond to drive off the fighters. The two waist gunners stood up with their heads sticking out of the hole in the top of the fuselage to aim and fire their guns. The tail gunner had to fire in short bursts as the recoil was causing the aircraft to turn.

P-51 "Mustang" fighters intercepted the B-17 as it was crossing the Channel to escort it to safety. They radioed the base describing that the tail was waving like a fish tail and they did not think it would make it to shore and send out boats to rescue the crew when they bailed out. The fighters stayed with the Fortress taking hand signals from Lt. Bragg and relayed to the base. He signaled that the parachutes were used to hold the craft together and they would stay with the plane and land it.

Two and a half hours later, the aircraft made its final turn to line up with the runway 40 miles away. It decended into an emergency landing and a normal roll-out on its landing gear.
 
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