Compare these with a Mosquito with 2000lb standard bomb load and up to 4000lb single bomb load with two engines and crew of two and effectiveness of more accurate delivery. regardless of the pickle barrel at 25,000 feet claims with the Norden bomb sight
Picture of the day
- Thread starter jwhc
- Start date
Compare these with a Mosquito with 2000lb standard bomb load and up to 4000lb single bomb load with two engines and crew of two and effectiveness of more accurate delivery. regardless of the pickle barrel at 25,000 feet claims with the Norden bomb sight
Still alive
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Rainy mosquito infested part of BC
Wow! And they worry about us having guns! 17 year old kid! Yikes!
Wow!. Over in a flash.
Dark Alley Dan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Darkest Edmonton
I really don't want to be "that guy", lads, but just so you know, here's the very first post in this thread, made dang near five years ago:
Now while I find shocking pix like the Japanese gentleman being murdered live on TV as riveting as anyone else, I'd respectfully ask that we make more of an effort to observe the original intent of the thread, please.
Thanks much,
Dan
Now while I find shocking pix like the Japanese gentleman being murdered live on TV as riveting as anyone else, I'd respectfully ask that we make more of an effort to observe the original intent of the thread, please.
Thanks much,
Dan
Thanks. As soon as I saw that list and the poor bomb load of the B17 I thought of the Mosquito.
Did the nuclear holocaust melt your permafrost, but you still need to navigate your Super Heavy class tanks to fend off evil capitalist aggressors?
The Object 279 might just be the Super Heavy you're looking for:
Weight 60 metric tons
Length 6,770 mm (267 in)
length 11,085 mm (with the gun)
Width 3,400 mm
Height 2,639 mm
Crew 4
Armor 319 mm – 217 mm (turret front and side)
(at 30° – 50° from vertical)
269 mm – 93 mm (upper hull front)
(at 45° – 75° from vertical)
258 mm – 121 mm (lower hull front)
(at 45° – 70° from vertical)
182 mm – 100 mm (hull side)
(at 45° – 65° from vertical)
Main armament 130 mm M-65 rifled gun L/60 (24 rounds)
Secondary armament 14.5 × 114 mm KPVT coaxial machine gun (800 rounds)
Engine 2DG-8M diesel engine 1000 hp
Operational range 300 km
Speed 55 km/h
The Object 279 might just be the Super Heavy you're looking for:
Weight 60 metric tons
Length 6,770 mm (267 in)
length 11,085 mm (with the gun)
Width 3,400 mm
Height 2,639 mm
Crew 4
Armor 319 mm – 217 mm (turret front and side)
(at 30° – 50° from vertical)
269 mm – 93 mm (upper hull front)
(at 45° – 75° from vertical)
258 mm – 121 mm (lower hull front)
(at 45° – 70° from vertical)
182 mm – 100 mm (hull side)
(at 45° – 65° from vertical)
Main armament 130 mm M-65 rifled gun L/60 (24 rounds)
Secondary armament 14.5 × 114 mm KPVT coaxial machine gun (800 rounds)
Engine 2DG-8M diesel engine 1000 hp
Operational range 300 km
Speed 55 km/h
Dark Alley Dan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Darkest Edmonton
Like a UFO with tracks. How did it get power to the drive wheels?
Ah - did some research and found out:
Ah - did some research and found out:
Interesting design to solve a specific problem.
A 60 ton tank with 8 psi distributed ground pressure. It was literally designed to cope with the potential of thawed muskeg after a nuclear blast. Could grind its way through muck deep enough for it to sink past its lower glacis.
They made 3 and did some fairly extensive testing on it. It performed reasonably well, but had some critical flaws. "Turning" was not among its major capabilities. Very expensive to make, and complicated to maintain - which goes counter to Soviet design philosophy.
Also, while the commander, gunner, and loader had plenty of room in the Turret basket, the driver - who was located in the forward part of the hull - could not be more than 5'6". This last bit wasn't a deal breaker. Soviet tanks are notorious for wedging crew members into tight spaces.
A fuel leak aboard the World War II-era B-17 bomber "Liberty Belle" caused the in-flight fire that destroyed the historic airplane when it made an emergency landing in an Illinois corn field in June 2011, the NTSB said in its final accident report.
According to investigators, the weekend before the crash mechanics identified a fuel leak, which was subsequently repaired. A final inspection on the morning of the accident flight did not reveal any evidence of a leak and the airplane was cleared for flight.
Shortly after takeoff, the flight crew noticed a faint odor of gasoline in the cockpit and a small amount of smoke near the radio room. They immediately initiated a turn back to the departure airport. At the same time, they received a radio call from the pilot of a T-6 Texan chase plane advising there was a fire visible on the left wing. The pilot of the B-17G decided to execute an emergency landing.
Due to mud, fire engines could not reach the airplane, allowing the fire to spread and destroy it. There were seven people on board the airplane when the fire broke out. One sustained minor injuries and the rest were unhurt.
During the post-accident examination, investigators discovered a crack in a fuel tank that was never repaired. The NTSB determined the probable cause of the accident to be the inadequate repair that allowed the fuel leak to continue, ultimately resulting in the in-flight fire.
Dark Alley Dan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Darkest Edmonton
Currently undergoing rebuild at Brooks Aviation in Georgia, perhaps to flyable standard. Hard to say how much of the original plane was left usable:
Like making sushi with fish heads and fins. if they get that sad wreckage flying again, it'll be a tribute to what you can do when you throw enough money at something.
Hell, this looks more rebuildable:
Like making sushi with fish heads and fins. if they get that sad wreckage flying again, it'll be a tribute to what you can do when you throw enough money at something.
Hell, this looks more rebuildable:
- Location
- On the beach
This Austro-Hungarian observer has plenty of firepower to defend his reconnaissance aircraft.
Pictured:
Austro-Hungarian aircraft gunner with an arranged anti-aircraft gun made out from Mausers C-96, 1917
Ten Mauser C96 pistols are hooked up to fire in unison. At close range, the observer could rapidly fire volleys of bullets, almost like an airborne shotgun. Reloading this mechanism in flight, however, must have been excruciatingly difficult.
The Austro-Hungarian aircraft gunner in the picture is seen using a Mauser C96 pistol combination, probably just for demonstration. Each pistol held a clip of ten bullets and the device attached to them fired them in unison, giving the gunner the ability to rapidly fire 100 rounds in volleys of 10. Two bars passed through the five upper and five lower trigger guards and were attached to the single aiming grip that can be seen in his hand. It had a trigger at the end which was pulled to fire all ten pistoles at the same time. Given the close arrangement of the pistols, if the gunfire did hit the enemy aircraft, it would have been like using a shotgun. With the light frame and canvas structures of early war aircraft that might have been enough to bring it done. But one has to wonder how long it would take, and how difficult it would be, to reload and re-mount all ten pistols while maneuvering and trying to avoid nearby enemy aircraft.
The C96 was introduced in 1896 and was immediately popular, being sold to governments, commercially to civilians and individual military officers within the first year of production. As a military sidearm, the pistols saw service in various colonial wars, as well as World War I, The Easter Rising, the Estonian War of Independence, the Spanish Civil War, the Chinese Civil War and World War II. The C96 also became a staple of Bolshevik Commissars and various warlords and gang leaders in the Russian Civil War, known simply as “the Mauser”.
With its long barrel and high-velocity cartridge, the Mauser C96 had superior range and better penetration than most other pistols of its era. The 7.63×25mm Mauser cartridge was the highest velocity commercially manufactured pistol cartridge until the advent of the .357 Magnum cartridge in 1935. A distinctive characteristic of the C96 was its wooden shoulder stock which can double as a holster or carrying case and a grip shaped like the handle of a broom.
Dark Alley Dan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Darkest Edmonton
The tail was intact when she landed. Wonder where it went?
The entire remains of the B-17 where recovered and being made whole again and will become Liberty Belle (II) the B-17 had moved downstream a good ways that made the discovery a challenge. Had Liberty Belle not been destroyed by fire the owner would have had two B-17s. Sad the B-17 was not recovered and restored in Canada (we Canadians do think small) but it will be brought back to life and put into the air, just in the US.
Last edited:
Dark Alley Dan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Darkest Edmonton
Gotta think resto of any warbird this far down the road must involve an awful lot of new parts - the skin, most of the ribs, all the electrical, all the gauges... Damn little of the original left. I've heard it said that as long as you have the ID plate (basically the VIN for the aircraft) you can build the rest and still call it the real deal. How much of a B17 submerged for 70 years or so will remain airworthy?
She looks a bit like an early Drew Barrymore. The first non-stop trans-Pacific crossing was by Clyde Pangborn in 1931. He crash-landed his aircraft, named Miss Veedol, in Wenachee, WA. The Wenachee airport is named after Pangborn and they have a flying replica of Miss Veedol.
