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It was a fairly complete restoration. Might be possible for her to sail again with some addition help like full sails and a trained crew, but is it it worth the risk?


Video of the restoration and her second launch.
 
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Had a Red Rifle/Beaumont Hamel shoot at the local range today. It basically turned into a milsurp shoot and we had a ton of fun. Brownie points for anyone who can identify them all.......
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I believe you have everything correct except it's a M44 instead of a M38, there's a M1917 between the MNs and the M95 and the CZ is actually a Type 81. Haha
One of those 1891 Mosin's is actually pretty interesting. From the markings on it, it was apparently captured by the Austro-Hungarians in WW1, and was eventually sold/given to the Finns.
 
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Dieppe was one of the biggest fook-ups on the allied side in WW2. Any 2nd lieutenant with a map and a bit of situational awareness could have predicted the outcome. Unfortunately we were made the sacrificial lambs, and not without some enthusiasm among our military and political leadership.:rey2

After Dieppe Mountbatten was displaced to the more obscure Burma-India theater where he played a largely political role which was more appropriate to his abilities. His political skills and royal family connections got him much further than he would have otherwise gone. He was never admired by Canadian veterans.
 
David O’Keefe did a very good job of researching Dieppe and relatively recent declassified documentation that points to a hypothesis that there were alterior motives for the raid, including the capture of a four rotor Enigma machine.
While probably not the sole purpose, he makes a strong case that it was a major, and possibly the primary objective.
He did a documentary “Dieppe Uncovered” that is occasionally played on History Channel.
 
and it was a "raid" not a attempt at a bridgehead. There was no what if contingency in place should they succeed in pushing inland, but was picked because the ability to withdraw due to relative lack of long range defense. So what was the objective of this "raid"?
 
I've never seen any of O'Keefe's commentary on Dieppe, but I'd question the level of confidence in any intelligence that the Germans had a 4 rotor Enigma machine available for the picking at Dieppe.

There may have been more accessible and less heavily defended locations where a small hit and run commando raid might have had a better chance of picking one off.

It's a sure thing that such a sensitive encoding/communication device would have been well to the rear and heavily protected at Dieppe, and that adequate time would have been available to the Germans to either remove or destroy it to prevent its capture. There's been a lot of after the fact justifications for the Dieppe raid over the years, and this may just be the latest.
 
srdiver said:
and it was a "raid" not a attempt at a bridgehead. There was no what if contingency in place should they succeed in pushing inland, but was picked because the ability to withdraw due to relative lack of long range defense. So what was the objective of this "raid"?
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Keeping Russia in the war.
 
Hmmm, a raid with no viable extraction plan. Canadians sure sure sucker punched with that one.

I remember when a German veterans organization asked permission to attend a joint Dieppe commemoration. They were denied and held their own off site. A German vet said that they admired the Canadians who kept coming in even as the body count mounted. Up to that point, the fighting qualites of the Canadians was an unknown factor.
 
beltfed said:
David O’Keefe did a very good job of researching Dieppe and relatively recent declassified documentation that points to a hypothesis that there were alterior motives for the raid, including the capture of a four rotor Enigma machine.
While probably not the sole purpose, he makes a strong case that it was a major, and possibly the primary objective.
He did a documentary “Dieppe Uncovered” that is occasionally played on History Channel.
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Read “One Day in August” it is an excellent book and will change your view on history. It seems very plausible to me that while it is a true shame that so many lives were wasted, they would have been greatly offset by the capture of an Enigma machine. If you enjoy war history and are Canadian, it is a must read.
 
“One Day in August” - will do.

http s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7I9vkhr1SSc

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There's been a lot of after the fact justifications for the Dieppe raid over the years, and this may just be the latest.
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Well, I recommend you see the documentary for yourself (or I suppose all the info is in the book too). His research spanned 15 years and includes ‘recently’ released historical documents that were classified ultra secret and sealed by British Intellegence, so there is little doubt as to the veracity of the behind the scenes maneuvers leading up to and including actions during the raid.
Considering this throws most typical understandings of the Dieppe raid on their ear, I am surprised more people (especially Canadians) don’t now know about it.
 
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purple said:
I've never seen any of O'Keefe's commentary on Dieppe, but I'd question the level of confidence in any intelligence that the Germans had a 4 rotor Enigma machine available for the picking at Dieppe.

There may have been more accessible and less heavily defended locations where a small hit and run commando raid might have had a better chance of picking one off.

It's a sure thing that such a sensitive encoding/communication device would have been well to the rear and heavily protected at Dieppe, and that adequate time would have been available to the Germans to either remove or destroy it to prevent its capture. There's been a lot of after the fact justifications for the Dieppe raid over the years, and this may just be the latest.
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I have seen the program a couple of times and his produced evidence is very compelling that an Enigma machine was the entire justification for the raid, it was supposed to be in the German garrison's headquarters, a commandeered hotel three or four blocks off the coast. The Canadian landing was just a diversion(and I don't dispute the earlier comments that it was very poorly planned exercise) for a British commando outfit that was tasked with liberating the Enigma. The British commando's were decimated before they reached anywhere close to the objective, I think 3 of them reached the headquarters but they were captured.

I worked with a man that was a tank driver and landed a Churchill on Dieppe. His tank was hit hard and he was the only survivor of the crew, spent the rest of the war in a stalag. I cant help but wonder if ol' Bob didn't crawl out of one of those tanks in the photo's. He went to his grave (long before the Enigma documentary came out) very very bitter over the Canadian military involvement in sacrificing the guys he trained with.
 
You could call the Canadian at Dieppe a " forlorn hope ".

A forlorn hope is a band of soldiers or other combatants chosen to take the leading part in a military operation, such as an assault on a defended position, where the risk of casualties is high.[1]

Such a band is also known as the "enfants perdus" (lit. "Lost Children").[2]
 
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