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[purple]

Weren't the M113's designed to be proof against artillery shrapnel and small arms (up to about .30 calibre), nothing bigger?

Yes. The trade off was less protection vs high mobility to arrive on the objective. The M113 hull isn't proof against a .50 cal/12.7 projectile, and I wouldn't want to take on a 7.62 AP round at close range unless it was frontal with the engine mass to help.

 

[CV32]

Weren't the M113's designed to be proof against artillery shrapnel and small arms (up to about .30 calibre), nothing bigger?

That was the intent. I certainly wouldn't want to rely on it against 12.7x108mm at close range, or 14.5x114mm at any range.

 

[CV32]

Yes. The trade off was less protection vs high mobility to arrive on the objective. The M113 hull isn't proof against a .50 cal/12.7 projectile, and I wouldn't want to take on a 7.62 AP round at close range unless it was frontal with the engine mass to help.

The M113 had the untimely misfortune of arriving on the field just prior to the arrival of the 9M14 Malyutka (NATO AT-3 Sagger) missile. The 'battle taxi' idea quickly began to lose its shine once the 'taxi' could not safely take you closer to the FEBA than 1,500 to 3,000 meters.

 

[purple]

The Soviets did us one better by fielding the BMP, a true infantry fighting vehicle, instead of an just an infantry taxi. The BMP was armed with both a direct fire 73mm gun and Sagger missile and offered collective NBC protection for the crew to boot.

We caught up with later generation IFVs incl the Marder, warrior and Bradley which had the same capabilities. The IFV is more versatile and lethal, but they are still thinly armored and are not a tank by any stretch. One of the downsides is that people may be tempted to use an IFV as a fighting vehicle simply because of the direct fire and missile capabilities that they possess. In this case, the on board infantry remain passive and are highly vulnerable to being killed in a bunch by more capable tank or missile systems.

 

[collector67]

I’m in the middle of the series “The Vietnam War” that Netflix is running. Very well done, with lots of footage and info that I have never seen or heard before. Well worth watching!

 

[Grizzly Adams]

I’m am in the middle of the series “The Vietnam War” that Netflix is running. Very well done, with lots of footage and info that I have never seen or heard before. Well worth watching!

All the Ken Burns documentaries are excellent.

Grizz

 

[zupermann]

I’m am in the middle of the series “The Vietnam War” that Netflix is running. Very well done, with lots of footage and info that I have never seen or heard before. Well worth watching!

I didn't like Burns work on this one. Seemed to highlight US atrocities while scarcely mentioning communist ones I thought. A better series (much lesser known and under rated) is "The Ten Thousand Day War" --Michael McLean I think was the producer

 

[CV32]

I didn't like Burns work on this one. Seemed to highlight US atrocities while scarcely mentioning communist ones I thought.

Me neither. Too much social revisioning.

 

[Dark Alley Dan]

 

[zupermann]

Me neither. Too much social revisioning.

That's the word I was looking for !
One wonders if Burns graduated from a place like Berkeley. Lol

 

[smellie]

PROUD Bio in Wiki says:

"Burns is a longtime supporter of the Democratic Party, contributing almost $40,000 in political donations.[27] In 2008, the Democratic National Committee chose Burns to produce the introductory video for Senator Edward Kennedy's August 2008 speech to the Democratic National Convention, a video described by Politico as a "Burns-crafted tribute casting him [Kennedy] as the modern Ulysses bringing his party home to port"

Almost as bad, one would think.

Evidently he managed to forget that JFK actually STARTED the V-N War, LBJ expanded and continued it..... and Nixon caught the flak.

Situation normal, seemingly.

 

[Dark Alley Dan]

Respectfully, gentlemen - I'd appreciate it if there was one feckin' thread on CGN where I could look at something interesting and not have the conversation devolve into an indictment of all things left of center. I'm no blind follower of the socialist agenda, but Jesus, it gets tiring to log on here and be inundated with the whole "libtard lieberal lefty idiot" thing at every turn.

Can't we just look at some pictures please?

 

[Sharps '74]

Evidently he managed to forget that JFK actually STARTED the V-N War, LBJ expanded and continued it..... and Nixon caught the flak.

JFK inherited the Viet Nam War after the French collapse in Indo China.

 

[Sharps '74]

Respectfully, gentlemen - I'd appreciate it if there was one feckin' thread on CGN where I could look at something interesting and not have the conversation devolve into an indictment of all things left of center. I'm no blind follower of the socialist agenda, but Jesus, it gets tiring to log on here and be inundated with the whole "libtard lieberal lefty idiot" thing at every turn.

Can't we just look at some pictures please?

Was there a separate ammo limber for the towed 88mm FLAK? Doesn't look like that prime mover could carry much in addition to the crew.

 

[HuskyDude]

1951 Boat Ride

In October 1951, HMCS Magnificent (CVL 21) loaded a cargo of 35 RCAF Canadair CL-13 Sabre Mk. 2 aircraft at Norfolk Virginia, destined for Europe. 24 aircraft were concooned and transported above deck and 11 aircraft, uncocooned, were carried below deck.

 

[donor]

Weird things that flew: Koolhoven F.K.49

Photographic survey aircraft build in 1935.Few build,effectively motorized glider. Koolhoven build a lot of really strange looking aircraft and it seems like very few were successful.

 

[t-star]

Was there a separate ammo limber for the towed 88mm FLAK? Doesn't look like that prime mover could carry much in addition to the crew.

what about the compartments behind the rear seats? that's where the ammo was carried on most of the 7 series halftracks

 

[shredder]

In October 1951, HMCS Magnificent (CVL 21) loaded a cargo of 35 RCAF Canadair CL-13 Sabre Mk. 2 aircraft at Norfolk Virginia, destined for Europe. 24 aircraft were concooned and transported above deck and 11 aircraft, uncocooned, were carried below deck.

Why would the RCAF have to load its Canadian-built Sabres onto a RCN carrier in Norfolk?? Did we not have the capability to load/unload planes in Halifax (or wherever the RCN east coast base was)?

 

[Winchester-1897]

Respectfully, gentlemen - I'd appreciate it if there was one feckin' thread on CGN where I could look at something interesting and not have the conversation devolve into an indictment of all things left of center. I'm no blind follower of the socialist agenda, but Jesus, it gets tiring to log on here and be inundated with the whole "libtard lieberal lefty idiot" thing at every turn.

Can't we just look at some pictures please?

what he said^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[sail32]

The Koolhoven F.K.58 fighter was ordered by the French when they were rearming prior to WW2.

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=932

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Koolhoven_F.K.58



List of aircraft of the French Air Force during World War II

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_French_Air_Force_during_World_War_II