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No offense taken, Bearhunter. You are, of course, correct. There's damn little room for sentimentalism in the military, aside from regimental history, the sanctity of the Standard, etc. While old aircraft are remarkably evocative things - the final scene in The Best Years of our Lives gets me every time - I recognize that operating a military is a question of using things until they can't be used, then going and getting another and using THAT one up, and on and on until either the war is over or the government cuts the budget.

The pic above shows aircraft that cost huge sacrifices of treasure to create being prepped to melt down into ingots, later to become the aluminium muffin tins that everyone has at least one of in their kitchen right now. The best use of worn out airframes, I guess, and very much a "swords into plowshares" deal, but still, when one considers the cost of developing the B29 into an effective tool, the hours and millions spent to stop it from having its engines burst into flame regularly, the cost in manpower, time, and money to get the damn things to the point where they "did what it says on the box", and then here they are, parked in Arizona awaiting scrapping. Just seems a shame is all.

And Grelmar, you're right too. Postwar, places like Kingman were where the USAAF went to be remade into some more useful form. I get the need. It's just the sentimental slob in me that cries a little at scenes like this:

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Gone, every single one of those, and one less in the world since last Saturday. Men fought in thse planes. Some died. Everyone experienced moments of abject Goddamn terror or asked themselves questions about mortality or missed people they loved. And when they were done being useful, these significant, soulful things were chopped up and melted down.

Life moves on. As Ray says, "Just the way she fvckin' goes, boys." But I still find it sad.

And for those who haven't seen it:

 
I get a bit down in the mouth at such sights myself, not just with planes.

I watched 3000 brand new Argentine M91 Mausers rifles taken out onto a dirt lot, still in their original shipping/storage crates, put onto a neat pile, doused with kerosene and set alight. That was in Argentina during their winter in July/1967. I was ready to scream.

The really sad things is that not only do they use up and discard the tools, but also the people that used them.

Yes, there is a big show put on every year but the promices to take care of their injuries, physical and mental are only kept in the least possible manner.
 
I get a bit down in the mouth at such sights myself, not just with planes.

I watched 3000 brand new Argentine M91 Mausers rifles taken out onto a dirt lot, still in their original shipping/storage crates, put onto a neat pile, doused with kerosene and set alight. That was in Argentina during their winter in July/1967. I was ready to scream.

The really sad things is that not only do they use up and discard the tools, but also the people that used them.

Yes, there is a big show put on every year but the promices to take care of their injuries, physical and mental are only kept in the least possible manner.

Says it all, the soldiers are just as disposable as the arms. :(

Grizz
 
I've personally known a few Canadian Afghan war vets who committed suicide. Who knows how many others have thought about doing it also.

You can't take a bunch of socially engineered recruits and expect them to turn into widow makers and heart breakers without having enormous psychological repercussions.

Without a lot of care and attention given to each individual, so they can integrate back into a society they no longer fit in and can't associate with.

The harsh realities of third/fourth world countries and sometimes battle change the perspectives of everyone I've ever met, that's been there, done that.

It's not just military vets, police, first responders, doctors, nurses and the list goes on, suffer very similar PTSD issues.

IMHO, every politician, top bureaucrat, school teacher, university professor, should get a stint of six months or so under such conditions. Make them wake up from being WOKE.

I know a few such professors and they pretty much have similar feelings.
 
You can't take a bunch of socially engineered recruits and expect them to turn into widow makers and heart breakers without having enormous psychological repercussions.

Without a lot of care and attention given to each individual, so they can integrate back into a society they no longer fit in and can't associate with.

The harsh realities of third/fourth world countries and sometimes battle change the perspectives of everyone I've ever met, that's been there, done that.

It's not just military vets, police, first responders, doctors, nurses and the list goes on, suffer very similar PTSD issues.

IMHO, every politician, top bureaucrat, school teacher, university professor, should get a stint of six months or so under such conditions. Make them wake up from being WOKE.

I know a few such professors and they pretty much have similar feelings.

On the screen as opposed to, on your hands. Two entirely different experiences.
 
XRCD011 referenced a very interesting page a few entries back: http://www.fahrzeuge-der-wehrmacht.de/Originale.html

I do indeed have a thing for wartime German vehicles. It's interesting to see what a smallish industry was able to come up with when demand was high and money was no object. Tons of variation in kit. One of the less attractive ones was the Trippel SG6:

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Looks like the ancestor of the Oscar Meyer weiner mobile !
 
On the screen as opposed to, on your hands. Two entirely different experiences.

That's a pretty astute observation but often the psyche's of some individuals is such that just being close to it and seeing/smelling/tasting it is enough to put them over the edge. Sometimes for a few minutes and sometimes the images/smells/taste never leaves their minds.

I remember one Indigenous village we came upon, most of the people were dead from disease and starvation, every once in a while I still wake up to that image and can still smell decomposing bodies, envision people starved to the point there is no way to save them and everything so foul and burned into the nostrils that I could taste it, even with a scarf over my mouth and nose.

Such things break some very strong willed and visaged people in many ways and it doesn't catch up to them until later, sometimes a long time later.
 
You can't take a bunch of socially engineered recruits and expect them to turn into widow makers and heart breakers without having enormous psychological repercussions.

Without a lot of care and attention given to each individual, so they can integrate back into a society they no longer fit in and can't associate with.

The harsh realities of third/fourth world countries and sometimes battle change the perspectives of everyone I've ever met, that's been there, done that.

It's not just military vets, police, first responders, doctors, nurses and the list goes on, suffer very similar PTSD issues.

IMHO, every politician, top bureaucrat, school teacher, university professor, should get a stint of six months or so under such conditions. Make them wake up from being WOKE.

I know a few such professors and they pretty much have similar feelings.

When the evening news comes on with a warning for sensitive people, we have a big problem. :(

Grizz
 
That's a pretty astute observation but often the psyche's of some individuals is such that just being close to it and seeing/smelling/tasting it is enough to put them over the edge. Sometimes for a few minutes and sometimes the images/smells/taste never leaves their minds.

I remember one Indigenous village we came upon, most of the people were dead from disease and starvation, every once in a while I still wake up to that image and can still smell decomposing bodies, envision people starved to the point there is no way to save them and everything so foul and burned into the nostrils that I could taste it, even with a scarf over my mouth and nose.

Such things break some very strong willed and visaged people in many ways and it doesn't catch up to them until later, sometimes a long time later.

Damn.
 
When the evening news comes on with a warning for sensitive people, we have a big problem. :(

Grizz

That's why the series documentary "Canada at War", which was shown in most public schools was shelved and taken off the airwaves of CBC. It traumatized viewers, that drank to much of the early WOKE KOOL AID
 
That's why the series documentary "Canada at War", which was shown in most public schools was shelved and taken off the airwaves of CBC. It traumatized viewers, that drank to much of the early WOKE KOOL AID

I remember in Grade 9 history class , 1969 , our class watched Canada at War documentaries, we weren’t traumatized, we were 14 years old ,but I can see the Karen’s of today , not being able to deal with these documentaries of Canada in WW2
 
I remember in Grade 9 history class , 1969 , our class watched Canada at War documentaries, we weren’t traumatized, we were 14 years old ,but I can see the Karen’s of today , not being able to deal with these documentaries of Canada in WW2

I had the good fortune of having a Jewish history teacher in Grade 9. She found every documentary regarding the Holocaust 1939-1945 Germany. Bulldozers pushing undulating piles of bodies into mass graves is etched into my memory. I am grateful for the perspective she provided. That is now too much for the sensibilities of the newer generations. Sadly that lack of knowledge will simply compound the 'That will never happen.' mentality.
 
What a work horse for sure!
Two different variants of the Mk X
Early X with metric-wavelength ASV radar with (herringbone) antennae sticking out of the nose, external exhaust shrouds (sides of engine) and no fuselage antenna.
Later X with Centimetric AI radar housed in a 'thimble-nose' radome and antenna in leading edge of wing. internal exhaust back of engine nacelles and fuselage antenna to top of rudder.

I always thought the Beaufighters (with radials) looked more like a Henschel Hs 129 than the Mossie.

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I always thought the Beaufighters (with radials) looked more like a Henschel Hs 129 than the Mossie.

Y'know, I'd never twigged to that, but you're right. Very similar layout, look, and (in the Beaufighter anti-shipping variant) purpose:

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Sisters from different mothers...

Pretty snug office in the Henschel product. They had to put the gunsight out in the wind to accommodate everything...

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Not much elbow room. Meanwhile, in the Beaufighter...

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Bring a friend. Plenty of space...
 
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