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gmctech said:
plinker 777 said:
My Great Uncle, was 20 when his Lancaster that he was the pilot of went down. Amazes me to think a 20 year old was @ the controls of that monster.

Here's a link if you're interested a bit by it. http://www.basher82.nl/Data/Amsterdam/CampbellRalph101.htm
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very interesting GMCtech. It takes a certain something to pilot a Lancaster over hostile area after having been already shot down once before. Its a strong breed in Nova Scotia, my hat is off to you and your family.

and yep,rules are obviously out the window when it comes to resolving conflict no doubt about it. My hackles get raised by some comments is all...I'm not a hater:)
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Good morning fellow Gunnutz new day new picture :) I really like this one because you can see the carrier in the back round ( must be circling for a landing ).

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Cheers
Joe
 
jwhc said:
Good morning fellow Gunnutz new day new picture :) I really like this one because you can see the carrier in the back round ( must be circling for a landing ).

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Cheers
Joe
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The aircraft is a Curtiss SB2C, HellDiver, also know as Son-of-a-Bit*h, Second Class,..LOL, apparently, not a easy aircraft to fly
 
points said:
Lucky in some respects only but there is more to it.
My grandfather was a German soldier captured in France sometime after D Day. He was handed over to the French. The French and Americans policy was to eliminate the Germans by starvation and disease. Not something you hear about often.
He was put into a camp for 2 years with little food, less shelter and minimal medical care. They were treated far below the Geneva convention standards. Many of his comrads died while in captivity.
After about 1947, I believe, he was to be sent home. Nope. As he was from East Germany (new designation after the Russians took over), he and what was left of his unit were loaded into locked box cars without food or water. While traveling east, they realised that they were heading east of the German border. My Grandfather and a couple of others escaped from the train and made their way home. ALL of the rest of the trainload of prisoners were shipped to Russia and never heard from again.
That is his story.
I guess it all depended on where you were captured.
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Hrm.

I sense some hard feelings there.

I will note that while your grandfather claimed to have experienced treatment far below that mandated by the Geneva Convention, I'm not certain that it was officially allied policy to do so...or at least, not an officially espoused policy such as Germany actively pursued throughout the war in the way it treated some members of it's own population, and various captured "lesser people" I think the correct term was "Untermensch"...right?

The "Final Solution"....may have coloured how the allies handled some of their prisoners, no? Oh, and that WAS an official policy of the German Government of the day.

In the end, your grandfather obviously lived, which is better than the between 6 and 17 million (depending on the wikipedia math... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust )

There's a thin veneer of civility in our world...the holocaust was a mere 67 years ago....and events like Rwanda and Bosnia provide even more recent examples of how things can go off the rails.

I don't accuse anyone of participating or condoning those atrocities, but reaching back across the years and saying that it was policy to mistreat German prisoners....well....if you live in a glass house, don't throw stones.

NS
 
NavyShooter said:
Hrm.

I sense some hard feelings there.

I will note that while your grandfather claimed to have experienced treatment far below that mandated by the Geneva Convention, I'm not certain that it was officially allied policy to do so...or at least, not an officially espoused policy such as Germany actively pursued throughout the war in the way it treated some members of it's own population, and various captured "lesser people" I think the correct term was "Untermensch"...right?

The "Final Solution"....may have coloured how the allies handled some of their prisoners, no? Oh, and that WAS an official policy of the German Government of the day.

In the end, your grandfather obviously lived, which is better than the between 6 and 17 million (depending on the wikipedia math... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust )

There's a thin veneer of civility in our world...the holocaust was a mere 67 years ago....and events like Rwanda and Bosnia provide even more recent examples of how things can go off the rails.

I don't accuse anyone of participating or condoning those atrocities, but reaching back across the years and saying that it was policy to mistreat German prisoners....well....if you live in a glass house, don't throw stones.

NS
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I have no hard feelings about it. I had family that fought on both sides of the war so you get both points of view. The atrocities that the Nazis commited were beyond comprehension so I understand the ill treatment that they would have got. Sadly, like many armies, the average grunt was drafted for the duration no matter what his politics were.
 
Good morning Gunnutz :) New day new picture !! This one came from fellow Gunnut fugawi :) lets see who can tell us what type of bombers are pictured? Bonus points for the fighter in the foreground on second picture :)

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Thanks for the pictures fugawi :)

Cheers
Joe
 
Far from easy... My WW2 aircraft identification books pages were burning... After i verified the identification of the PZL 37 i smelled blood, and the search was on! :ninja:
fugawi said:
I didn't think those would be so easy. Especially since I learned there were only two of the PWS 33 in existence. I thought it was a PZL.38 Wilk but I found the Life magazine photo after you identified it as a PWS 33.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?imgurl=c8d6ee046093c46a
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gmctech said:
Far from easy... My WW2 aircraft identification books pages were burning... After i verified the identification of the PZL 37 i smelled blood, and the search was on! :ninja:
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Paulinski, gmctech - did I forget to mention that the prize for identifying the pics is to tell the rest of the 'nutters what they are? :popCorn:
 
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