Pinned Beowulf mag?
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Of course not. That’s why “Bob” read the law. And the law says “magazines for center fire, semi-automatic rifles must be limited to no more than 5 rounds of the cartridge they were designed for”. These mags came with the rifle Bob bought. Bob doesn’t even own a 223.
There’s no reasonable expectation for Bob to know the law has been reinterpreted unless the law has actually changed, is there?
That's not what im saying and not the point of the thread at all. Maybe we should limit this to productive only responses....
I've read that they're gray area and knew of the case where one guy was charged, but didn't know about the 2 round cap when actually using .50 Beowulf in the mag.
The easy way around this for people that actually own beowulf rifles is to get some LAR mags and modify them slightly so that the beowulf rounds will feed properly. You won't get 5 rounds in it, but it will take 4. There is nothing illegal about this whatsoever, and it works.
Holy #### man. Lol.
So that is in the FRT "comments" section? Not in the actual FRT.....I have read that the RCMP put their "opinion" on it in the comments section, but that the actual law has not changed...
This is all very strange because a popular local store just sold a bunch pinned to 5, how or why would they sell them to customers if they are illegal, do they not have to play by the same rules as the end user?
Legal comments contained in the FRT under various 50 beowulf rifles
Unlike bulletin 72 and other documents the rcmp disperse and publish, there is no disclaimer in the FRT that states that it is not a legal document that can be relied on in court. If you were to go to court, the crown would bring in the court approved expert from the RCMP along with all the design documentation they have on the 50 beowulf from the patent holder in the US that led them to the conclusion they published in the FRT
If you were able to point to one case ever, where a judge ruled the FRT was wrong and forced a change of status for said item discussed in the FRT, I would side with your assertion that it is simply an opinion that may not hold up in court.
I do not know who is selling what or why as you claim. Wolverine is the sole Canadian dealer/importer for Alexander arms rifles, contact them and ask why they are not importing or selling magazines
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- Maple Ridge, BC
There is a site sponsor who sells 5 round 450 bushmaster mags that are specifically designed to only hold large single stack rounds such as 50 beowulf, 458 socom etc. The follower is U-shape so double staking 5+ rounds isn't possible.
Probably your best bet to get pew x 5 for your big bore buddy.
Probably your best bet to get pew x 5 for your big bore buddy.
U shaped follower alone does not prevent 223 rounds from double stacking and holding. There needs to be internal limiters preventing the double stack like the ones designed by Remington
I don't know what magazines you are talking about? Those 3 calibers you listed will not all feed from the same magazine design
I have never bought any magazines from Wolverine so their reasoning does not concern me or anyone who didn't buy from them IMO, the company that sold the 5 rounders recently says that they did not import them just sold them. So again my question was do they not have to play by the same rules as the people that bought them, as in is it not just as illegal to sell a now prohibited magazine as it is to own one?
They are taking the same risk anyone selling them would if they are not limited as per the guidelines in the frt.
I don't know who you are talking about who sold mags that you spoke to, what brand/type/configuration they were, or the details of the conversation you had with them.
Brass tax in the end, mags are now in your possession , if you are stopped, arrested and charged with prohibited devices. Saying you bought them here, there, or anywhere will not make it go away.
Look at the retailer (bartons)who sold Hexmags, they offered a refund for a limited time as they went prohib by rcmp "opinion" (as many would call it) if not pinned to lower capacity. Oddly enough they sold a lot of beowulf magazines in the past, no refund was offered, seems things are changing now with the way people do business
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Crusade?
There is no story other than I have a NR beowulf rifle that I hunt with on public land. As a result it brings a lot of attention due to its public exposure on a regular basis. Because of this, I have to be more aware of what is going on legality wise to avoid being found in contravention of our ever changing legalities and criminally charged
There is no story other than I have a NR beowulf rifle that I hunt with on public land. As a result it brings a lot of attention due to its public exposure on a regular basis. Because of this, I have to be more aware of what is going on legality wise to avoid being found in contravention of our ever changing legalities and criminally charged
You are coming off as a bossy 1 trick pony, man. If we are worked together I would say “chill dude, just because you feel something strongly doesn’t mean you’ve got it all understood.” I seem to remember a law enforcement interaction you posted about that led to this public obsession on CGN.
It has nothing to do with "feeling strongly"
Unlike most people posting about legality who have yet to pay for even 5min of legal council. I spent money with a well known criminal defense attorney exploring my options and seeking all information in regards to the cases regarding beowulf mags that have been claimed to exist. I wanted to find something tangible to be able to mount a challenge and retain my mag capacity.
Yes I have an obsession with proving law enforcement wrong, they forced me to do it even when I didn't have the means and it cost me my livelihood. Now that I have the means, If I find something tangible to bring this issue to a close and keep my 5 round capacity you can bet I will use it, but until then, why pretend it is legal and potentially bait someone uninformed into a criminal proceedings?
Dexter Morgan
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In regards to the FRT being used as "evidence";
Any cross-examining attorney is going to question whether or not the FRT has been changed. The RCMP will need to answer when, and by whom.
If the FRT was changed AFTER someone bought something legally; That so-called "evidence" just got tossed.
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I really doubt the FRT holds much weight anyway. It's really just some guy quoting his own opinion.
But it really becomes worthless when they've gone back and changed it after the fact.
Any cross-examining attorney is going to question whether or not the FRT has been changed. The RCMP will need to answer when, and by whom.
If the FRT was changed AFTER someone bought something legally; That so-called "evidence" just got tossed.
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I really doubt the FRT holds much weight anyway. It's really just some guy quoting his own opinion.
But it really becomes worthless when they've gone back and changed it after the fact.
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So you believe that when new evidence comes to light that an item due to its design origins actually contradicts cartridge control regulations, an frt entry can not legally be changed or edited? Lol
I bet if this was a mistake that went the other way, you would be perfectly fine with a change in classification rather than keeping the item prohibited
