After my one foray into trying to drill and tap a rifle $85 is cheap. Seems to be harder then it looks to tap a rifle action correctly. My buddys in the military have whole months they don't do much but that would be the day I would say they were over paid.
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Silvertip13
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Thanks for the laugh, $85 an hour, can't be a very skilled tradesman. I guess you wouldn't like my $241.70 /hour rate then would you? Maybe put a WTB on the EE for discount gunsmith rates, bubba will be sure to apply. Cheap or free labour is not always the best.
Good thing you don't live in the Yukon and need your generator worked on because my charge out rate is 125 bucks an hour..........then you could really rant. By saying "I don't even get paid that" tells me all I need to know about you.....Did you go to post secondary school for years (at your own expense), did you invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment, tooling, buildings, employees and more. How would 9 years in the military qualify you for a pay scale of $85/hr..........oh ya but I forgot ....the world revolves around you so everyone else should make less than you, regardless of skills, training and investment.
Your rant and overall attitude are a disgrace to the uniform you wear.............if you aren't making enough money to keep up with charge out rates of services you require to live, then may I suggest you change jobs.........oh but wait, you aren't qualified to do anything else are you? There are many people out there that make less money than you do and quite likely work harder for it and I don't see them on here ranting ridiculously about what a qualified shop charges work out at. Maybe you and your buddy need to find a different hobby, one that falls within your income level...............To put things in perspective I just paid more than that yesterday for 2 lbs of gunpowder, you think it takes the factory more than an hour to make 2 lbs of powder, of course not, you think maybe they have other expenses than just a few pennies worth of materials...........Guys like you really pi$$ me off, and I have seen hundreds of your sort, after more than 30 years in business. You're also the same kind of guy, who when someone in business does give you a break, you forget to pay............like I said I've seen hundreds of your kind!!!
Your rant and overall attitude are a disgrace to the uniform you wear.............if you aren't making enough money to keep up with charge out rates of services you require to live, then may I suggest you change jobs.........oh but wait, you aren't qualified to do anything else are you? There are many people out there that make less money than you do and quite likely work harder for it and I don't see them on here ranting ridiculously about what a qualified shop charges work out at. Maybe you and your buddy need to find a different hobby, one that falls within your income level...............To put things in perspective I just paid more than that yesterday for 2 lbs of gunpowder, you think it takes the factory more than an hour to make 2 lbs of powder, of course not, you think maybe they have other expenses than just a few pennies worth of materials...........Guys like you really pi$$ me off, and I have seen hundreds of your sort, after more than 30 years in business. You're also the same kind of guy, who when someone in business does give you a break, you forget to pay............like I said I've seen hundreds of your kind!!!
What do you do that you can charge $241 an hour?
Best and most appropriate post of the entire thread right here ^^
In my job I get billed out at $185-250/hr during business hours and 1.5 times that after hours with a 4hr minimum. I can tell you that I certainly only see a fraction of that, but as others have mentioned, that's how professionals are billed out.
That depends. If its a 870 or 500 parrel then no it does not. If its a rifle barrel that needs to be headspaced or threaded. Then damn straight it can take an hour.
As for an AR barrel. Depends on how stubborn the nut is on the reciever, how tight the gas block is on, whether the new barrel needs threading for the battle comp, indexing the battle comp on the barrel after it is installed. And all this done professionaly WITHOUT damaging your firearm. Live with the charge, gunsmiths are the lowest paid of the skilled trades.
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Simple it will cost 3x that amount to get the tools to re barrel the gun. Tools are not cheap. I know I have diesel tools and well some of those specialty tools ain't cheap.
Then pay the person.
Most mechanics in NS are between 50-90$/HR, about 106$/HR for Diesel.
This is one of the funniest threads I have seen in a while. OP - have you never had a vehicle serviced, or a plumber or electrician come to your house, or even paid to have your hair cut ? $85 an hour is cheap ! (even for the hairdresser) I am in business for myself, with hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in machinery and tooling, building costs, electrical costs, etc, and to top it all off, I have to pay for a portion of my employees EI, CPP, so on and so forth. So the $35/hour wage I pay my employees turns into right around $55/hour my cost, then add on all the overhead, then add on corporate tax, bla bla bla, and all of a sudden $85/hour charge out rate doesn't even cover my expenses. Maybe you've always lived in housing which you didn't have to pay for, eaten meals that you didn't have to pay for, gotten haircuts that you didn't have to pay for, and are just used to not having to pay a fair price for anything.
Looks like you have two options:
1) Pay the man his $85 for an hour of his time to get the job done with the right tools and the appropriate experience, so nuts don't get stripped and the bluing doesn't get scratched. And with a guarantee that if something get's messed up, he'll replace and rework it to make it right.
2) Buy the tools and materials yourself (probably cost you more than $85, if you don't already own them), and do it yourself. Maybe you watch a good Youtube video, maybe you don't. Maybe you strip something, maybe you scratch something. Guess who's liable if you do?
Neither of these things necessitate a rant on the internet, however.
(P.S. Way to use the 'I'm in the Army' card. Classy.)
1) Pay the man his $85 for an hour of his time to get the job done with the right tools and the appropriate experience, so nuts don't get stripped and the bluing doesn't get scratched. And with a guarantee that if something get's messed up, he'll replace and rework it to make it right.
2) Buy the tools and materials yourself (probably cost you more than $85, if you don't already own them), and do it yourself. Maybe you watch a good Youtube video, maybe you don't. Maybe you strip something, maybe you scratch something. Guess who's liable if you do?
Neither of these things necessitate a rant on the internet, however.
(P.S. Way to use the 'I'm in the Army' card. Classy.)
Well said!
I'm a mechanic and i'm completely tired of this kind of attitude. Guys think because they watched a video on the Internet or googled something that qualifies them to do it, and then question our credentials....i get it all the time. No common sense.
im an electrician and i only make 58 hr and every one uses my services...but you have to remember the insurance i have to carry for the lability, and the inspections and the over head, and etc etc...if its going to cost $85 hr to keep me from blowing my face off because of my own handy work or joe blow down the road who thinks he knows what he's doing then so be it... on that note are you going to hire a plumber to do electrical and vis versa?
Silvertip13
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c-fbmi, thanks for saying what I didn't have the patience to tell the OP. I don't have to ask when I send stuff to a smith as I have enough respect for another tradesmen's time. I know at the end of the repair I will get a bill for what it was worth. You have to "pay to play". Maybe this hobby is too expensive for you and your friends, try taking up watching shooting on u-tube and stop with that, then it won't cost as much and you probable will be qualified to do it yourself!
The current shop rate at garages in Fort McMurray is $200 per hour. I'm sure it's not much less in Edmonton. To avoid some stressful situations, you may wish to continue to find friends that will work for you at a discount or preferably, nothing.
But you generally get what you pay for. I wouldn't hesitate to pay a gunsmith $85/hr to fix something I can't fix. But that's just me.
But you generally get what you pay for. I wouldn't hesitate to pay a gunsmith $85/hr to fix something I can't fix. But that's just me.
