Polish Cavalry

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This might seem like a weird question, but are chickens an important animal in Poland? I feel like ive seen chickens appear in more than one polish weapon or coat of arms? Correct me if im wrong!
 
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This might seem like a weird question, but are chickens an important animal in Poland? I feel like ive seen chickens appear in more than one polish weapon or coat of arms? Correct me if im wrong!

Ha ha ha... you're not serious are you...?? :eek:

I can't recall seeing any chickens in a coat of arms.

For now these are all the birds I could find:

arrherb.jpg


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Those are both eagles, the 2nd one is 16th century....

ummm for those of you wanting to see polish chicks, click below. and don't ask me again ;)

http://www.bajer.pl/?p=top50

(that's a work safe site)

well then there is this one too: http://www.busty.pl (not work safe)


Now back to topic. :)

cheers,

Alex
 
Olek

You da man!

F Soldaten

I don't know if are serious or are yanking our chains, but that was hilarious!!

However in a Polish legion you'd probably get the crap beat out of you for that question.

Coincidently, the head of Pontiac in the late 60's and early 70's was Zbigniew (Ziggy to his friends) Polawski, who was so enamoured with the Polish national symbol that he convinced GM corporate to put that logo on a car and thus was born the Firebird. Although GM nixed Ziggy's proposed name: The Kurva Mach II.

LI
 
OK, I was just kidding on that last item!:D :D :p ;)

I'll try to get that Globe and Mail article tomorrow and put us all back on track with this thread!

LI
 
Here's the Globe article:

We are now officially back on track!


Polish army cavalryman settled on Quebec farm

Pitted against tanks during the 1939 German invasion of Poland, he fought in one of history's last cavalry actions

By JAMES MCCREADY
Monday, July 12, 2004 Posted at 12:22 PM EST
Special to The Globe and Mail


Janusz Wiazowski was one of the lucky Polish officers who managed to get out of the country after its defeat by the Germans, and before the mass murder of thousands of his fellow officers by the Russians in the Katyn Forest in 1939.
While he would end his days teaching young Canadian students at his stable in rural Quebec, Captain Wiazowski himself learned to ride at the age of four on visits to a relative serving with the Polish border patrol on the eastern frontier with Russia. Later he, too, would join the Polish Army, learning the formal rules of military horsemanship in what many considered to be the finest cavalry in Europe.
Legend has it that the Polish cavalry charged German tanks with lances after the invasion of Poland in 1939. Capt. Wiazowski was one of the cavalry officers who fought in the short campaign, but he always said it didn't happen that way.
"The Polish cavalry were brave, but not insane," Capt. Wiazowski told people over the years. "We did not attack German tanks on horse, as was reported by some American newspapers at the time. But when we found ourselves surrounded by German armour, we had no choice but to ride between them to escape."
Poland was defeated in six weeks, and Capt. Wiazowski was held in a prison with other officers. The guards were Russian. When he discussed escape, most of his fellow officers dismissed the idea, saying they were protected by the Geneva Convention, and were safer with the Russians -- fellow Slavs, and enemies of the Germans -- in spite of the pact between the Soviets and the Nazis.
Later he would read the names of the men who stayed behind on a list of officers executed in the Katyn Forest. For years the Germans were blamed for the massacre, but it was in fact done on the orders of Joseph Stalin. The Soviet Union annexed parts of eastern Poland in 1939.
Capt. Wiazowski and his commanding officer escaped and made their way first to Hungary and then France, which involved intrigue at borders and trips over the snowy Tatra Mountains late in the year. Capt. Wiazowski fought with the French Army when the Germans invaded France in May, 1940. He was awarded France's Croix de Guerre three times.
"Officer of exemplary courage commanding the rear guard during the retreat of the line of the Saône," read part of a citation for one of his French medals. At the time, Capt. Wiazowski had to fight the Germans while trying to avoid killing civilians who were fleeing the invading army.
When the Germans finally subdued France, again Capt. Wiazowski was forced to plan an escape -- this time to Switzerland, where he was kept under a kind of house arrest for three years, although it wasn't overly arduous. Among other things he went to university and studied German literature, as German was his second language.
Janusz Wiazowski was born on March 13, 1916, in Jasien in southern Poland, though it would be two years until Poland, in fact, existed -- reconstituted as a republic after long periods of being carved up by other states. Jasien was in the province of Galicia in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, where German was taught in school.
After graduating from the gymnasium, the equivalent of high school, he went to cavalry school in Grudziadz in 1936. The school taught history, mathematics and philosophy as well as the detailed care and training of horses. Students rode four to five horses a day, six days a week, and trained in cavalry tactics.
The cavalry school left Capt. Wiazowski an expert rider and with strong views about training young horses. He never liked the term "break" when referring to teaching a horse to accept a rider and saddle. He preferred gentler methods. He graduated from the cavalry school in May, 1939, just four months before the German invasion.
At the end of the war, Capt. Wiazowski found himself based in Scotland with few prospects. He knew he couldn't return to Poland: The Communist regime persecuted Poles who had fought with the Allies. He toyed with the idea of moving to Argentina, but Canadian soldiers in Scotland convinced him to move there.
He contacted a Polish friend, who suggested he settle in Quebec's Eastern Townships, where many Poles had already relocated.
Although the Canadian immigration rules of the day demanded that newcomers farm, many were from cities and towns. While Capt. Wiazowski knew horses, he hardly knew one end of a cow from the other.
"My husband had no idea how to milk a cow," says Teresa Wiazowski. "The cows developed mastitis [an inflammation of the udders], because he didn't know you had to start the milk flowing with a tug."
The owner of a dairy in Sutton, Que., sent his son over for a week to teach Capt. Wiazowski the basics of keeping cows. A neighbour taught him how to plow a field. He went on to keep pigs, and kept milking cows until the late 1960s. He eventually also started riding again, and soon was teaching the local gentry and their children how to ride at his farm in Fulford.
"It's not really English riding -- it's Italian," was one of Capt. Wiazowski's favourite sayings. He pointed out that in paintings of riders going over jumps, or cavalry moving into battle, the riders sit well back in the seat; only in the 19th century did an Italian riding theorist, Federico Caprilli, start teaching that it was easier, and safer, almost to hug the horse's neck rather than to lean back.
For several years, he made extra money dyeing cloth at Bruck Mills, a factory in nearby Cowansville. There the owner and plant manager were Polish and allowed him long summers off to run his farm and riding school. In 1969, he started teaching full-time.
His wife estimates that 90 per cent of his students were girls. He was gentle with horses and children, but still had his voice of command.
"When he spoke in that voice, they listened," recalls Lilian Howick, who rode there, as did her two daughters. "They sensed he was a heroic figure, and they listened to him."
His riding students ranged in age from 5 to 80.
"I took my grandchildren there and he said, 'What about you?' " remembers former student Jacqueline Grenier. "I said, 'I'm 60.' He said, 'So?' "
Like many others, she signed up and took lessons.
"At his funeral, there were dozens of young girls, his students," said Ms. Howick. "How many 88-year-olds are there who make such an impression on young people?"
Capt. Wiazowski died on May 3, Poland's National Day. His wife and daughter continue to run the riding school.
Janusz Wiazowski's first wife died in 1970. He leaves his wife Teresa and their children Danusia, Peter and Matthew.


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Light Infantry said:
Me too!!

Geniak: PFFFTT to you.

Don't drag the Jews into this conversation, you TROLL. You are trying to stir crap were crap doesn't need to be stirred up. I have found in the past that those who accuse others of being anti Semites are themselves that very same thing. Is that you? Are you trying to draw attention to yourself? Do you have any deeply buried hatreds, fears, feelings of guilt? Please reflect upon yourself and release the hatred.

LI

You need to show some maturity.
You have insulted me twice now.
I only wanted to show everyone that facts (depending on whether you have ALL the facts in their historical perspective) can be viewed at different angles. Unlike you, I have the ability to analyze information and think instead of making blanket statements and openly insulting others. Speaking of brainwashing... it more applies to you as you haven't grown up enough yet to be able to think independently.

Also note, that not only Polish people may read this thread and offensive remarks a.k.a "Russians are nice fellows but better if you hang them" are a direct manifestation of hatred towards another nation and should not be tolerated.

I have no hatred towards anyone, I just hate ignorant individuals like you throwing blanket statements and hating comments.

In this regard, I would appeal to the moderators and ask them to act swiftly when such things happen. This should not be tolerated.

After all, I am a gun owner and a member of this site and will not tolerate disrespectful statements.
 
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Genetlemen

I was able to find another first hand account of a Polish Cavalryman. Enjoy!!

Last Great Charge of the Polish Cavalry
by M. Kamil Dziewanowski



The assault by a Polish mounted brigade against a column of infantry and motors - only a fragment of the fight against the German invasion in 1939 - was executed in the glorious tradition of the horse cavalry's saber-wielding charge.

The account I am going to give you is of a cavalry charge in which I took part at the very beginning of World War II in September, 1939, in Poland. Although it all happened 59 years ago, it now seems like a century away! It may well be that this attack will rank in the history of warfare as the last great charge of cavalry. Is there another chance of the whole cavalry brigade, sword in hand, obeying the order "Gallop, march!"? The old Marshal Semion Budenny, former commander of the Soviet First Cavalry Army during the Civil War, would not agree with this. (In 1967, during an interview with The New York Times correspondent in Moscow, the old retired marshal, who is over 80 and still rides horses every day, was asked: " What role do you think cavalry will play during the next war? "Decisive!" answered Budenny without hesitation.)

My story is a fragment of the fight the Polish armed forces put up, defending their country against the German invasion in September of 1939. I was a platoon commander in the 3rd squadron, 3rd Light Horse regiment. My place was on the extreme left of the charge, so that I was able to see the whole mass of men and horses wheel around to the gallop. A grand spectacle, never to be forgotten.

The Suwalki Cavalry Brigade, stationed at the frontier of East Prussia, near the border of Lithuania, was composed of three cavalry regiments, one artillery regiment, and a group of light armored cars. Since September 1, it had been fighting night and day on the right flank of the Narew army group, whose task it was to stop the left flank of General von Kuechler's army, pressing on Warsaw from East Prussia.

The group was pushed back by the sheer weight of German firepower and armor. The brigade, being more mobile than our infantry, and assigned to the right wing of the Narew group, was less affected by the initial German push; consequently, we had relatively small losses during the first days of fighting.

Early on September 7, the brigade still stood almost 40 miles from the border of East Prussia. It was fighting a defensive battle against a light German army group, reinforced by the East Prussian cavalry division, which was the only great cavalry unit the Germans possessed at the time.

The advantage of numerical superiority was definitely with the invaders. All we could throw in against their hundreds of tanks were about 20 light armored scout cars and two dozen antitank guns. In firepower, the Germans had a superiority of about nine to one. It seemed, therefore, that the Germans, because of their superiority in firepower and armor, would cut through the live mass of Polish cavalry like a knife through a loaf of bread.

And yet, in spite of this unequal struggle, we refused to give up. We were fully aware of the fact that we had to adapt ourselves to new methods of warfare.

After all, we had to make the best conditions imposed on us by war, not of our seeking. Each day, our techniques of fighting the enemy hiding behind armor improved. It was a technique of pursuit, of ambush, and of ruses.

A machine that looked formidable at a distance began to show, especially at night, its impotence against daredevils who had the nerve to approach the tanks and throw gasoline-filled bottles. Others crept up to wreck the caterpillar treads of these tanks with bunches of hand grenades. During the first week, our antitank guns destroyed 31 enemy armored vehicles. We smashed at least a dozen of them with bottles and grenades. We took over 200 prisoners.

Thus, step by step, from a proud cavalry brigade we had turned into an outfit of tank hunters. By night we lost ourselves in woods and marched over trackless ground to harass the enemy's armored columns at rest stops or on the march.

We realized, however, that in the long run, it was all hopeless. The numbers and the firepower were against us. Moreover, the beautiful, sunny weather seemed to be conspiring with the invaders, helping the speedy progress of their armor facilitating the bombardment.

The news grew steadily worse. On the evening of September 8, we heard over the radio that the Germans were closing in on Warsaw. We resolved to do our duty, come what might. Most of the time we were hungry, and for a week we had about three hours' sleep at night. Our poor horses, those beautiful chestnut horses of which we were so proud, could not be unsaddled for days on end. With fodder growing scarce, they were becoming dispirited and vicious, sheer skeletons.

One desire was uppermost in our minds, and we discussed it in our short talks at officers' roll calls. Should modern warfare depose the cavalry, then we would make a dignified exit after just one more glorious tradition of our cavalry.

Suddenly, on September 9, we received the following order: "To relieve German pressure on Warsaw and to give the capital time to organize its defenses, the Suwalki Brigade will make a diversion on the enemy's rear, blow up the bridge over the Narew River, near Tykocin, and tear up the railway track between the stations of Rypno and Fastow." At the officers' roll call, the tall, gray-haired, taciturn brigade Commander, General Podhorski, told us:

"Gentlemen, we have received an important assignment. We are to sabotage the enemy communications. To execute our task, we must march all night over the field-paths and avoid main highways, and penetrate behind the enemy lines to reach the region of Tykocin. When on the spot, the engineering squadron will proceed with the wrecking jobs as ordered, while the rest of the brigade will act as a covering screen. Once the assignment is executed, we shall head eastward and plunge into the Bialowieza Forest. From then on we shall wage partisan warfare."

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Part 2...........


Dead tired though we were, the news electrified us. The order of the brigadier was received with joy by officers and men alike. We felt that finally we would have the chance for action as a body of cavalry in a task for which we had been trained.

On that very day, we made four ambushes against tanks and fought two skirmishes. We had little more than two hours of sleep.

We moved off around 7p.m., after the sun set. Regiment after regiment, squadron after squadron, marched at a trot before our brigadier, a smart, proud, gray-haired veteran of the last war, as he reviewed his decimated, but still brigade. It was a grueling all-night march over broken ground, through thickets and over rugged terrain. We were protected by a dense screen of patrols, but we avoided human settlements, cut across roads, and stuck to the forests and untraveled ground.

On September 9, an early dawn, misty and chilly, found the brigade at the northern edge of the large Zambrow forest, eight to nine miles from the bridge that we had to blow up.

It was almost 6a.m. when the patrols suddenly reported to the brigadier a startling piece of intelligence: a battalion of enemy infantry was marching along the highway between Rypno and Fastow.

Our sentries did not see any patrols, but reported that a column of transport trucks was moving parallel with the infantry. What an unexpected chance!

The brigade commander was hard put for a decision. We were hidden in the woods about a mile and a half from the enemy. The condition for a surprise attack seemed ideal. It was now or never. On the other hand the risk was great. An attack by the entire brigade was bound to betray our purpose.

Moreover, the firepower of a German infantry battalion was superior to that of our brigade. They seemed to have no armor but our patrols might have been mistaken.

After a few moments of hesitation our commander made up his mind. He stopped his brigade and reversed the direction of our march. We briskly crossed the strip of woods separating us from the enemy. Our three regiments assembled at the edge of the woods. Between the enemy column on the highway and us ran a strip of stubble field over a mile long. Close by the highway was a stretch of dry meadowland.

Since we stood on higher ground, we saw plainly what went on the highway. What a magnificent sight! A long sprent of troops wound its way lazily through a cloud of dust, while the motor transport swiftly flowed by the slowly marching infantry.

The brigadier's command came fast: "The 1st Lancer regiment and the 3rd Light Horse regiment prepare for a charge. The 2nd Lancer regiment will be in reserve. The brigade's heavy machine-gun squadrons will get together and support the charge with their massed fire.

The antitank squadron will screen the brigade from the west against a possible tank attack. The German's armor might be in the vicinity. Meanwhile, the engineering squadron is to take advantage of the charge to reach the bridge and the railway track as quickly as possible and blow them up."

The regimental commanders promptly carried out their respective orders. The squadron pushed ahead to the edge of the forest, while the engineering squadron left us to do their job. We could watch it marching off at a brisk trot.

Meanwhile, the squadrons stretched out in attack formation on the open field beyond the forest. The command "Trot, march" rang out. The enemy had not yet seen us, and the rising sun promised a clear day. The picture of the regiment emerging from the woods was so enchanting that it seemed unreal. What a perfect model for a battle painter! Where is our Vernet or Gericault! First we proceeded at a slow trot. The Germans still marched on, apparently unconcerned. Then suddenly our heavy machine-guns, hidden in the woods, gave tongue with a well-timed salvo. It went straight into the enemy column.

The great adventure was on!

The command "Draw sabres, gallop, march!" flew down the lines. Reins were gripped tighter. The riders bent forward in the saddles and they rushed forward like a mad whirlwind.

Meanwhile, the surprised serpent of enemy infantry on the highway stopped. Soon the road became a scene of wild confusion. There were shouts, confused orders, and chance shots. We, however, continued our gallop. Fortunately, the first German shots went over our heads. We were then about 1500 feet from the highway and saw that under fire of our heavy machine-guns the Germans were becoming a frantic mob. Some enemy armored cars stopped, while others tried to ram their way through the confusion. Some of the enemy soldiers made a desperate attempt to make a stand in the ditch by the roadside. Other sought cover behind the transport wagons.

Suddenly the fire from machine-guns began to score hits in our ranks. The van of the column, which had been nearing Rypno, seem to have mastered its panic; soon its fire began to tell. The first casualties fell from horses. We were then so close that we could see vague outlines of men in the cloud of dust. Suddenly our machine-guns ceased firing. They had to do it to avoid hitting us. Meanwhile, within a few seconds we reached the highway.

Sabres and lances went to work fiercely. Some confused German infantrymen pushed off our sabre blows with their rifle butts. Some simply tried to cover their heads with their arms, but our lances reached even those who tried to hide between the wagons.

The wave of our charge crossed the highway and pursued those who sought flight. Stray shots from the thickets kept falling into the mob on the highway, killing the enemy as well as us. The battle on the highway was practically over. The Germans began to surrender in large groups. A squadron of the 2nd Lancer regiment, which so far formed our reserve, was dispatched in pursuit of the fleeing enemy.

We were out of breath and dog-tired, but elated by the dreamed-up victory. Moreover, it was paid for with no great loss of life. The panic-stricken Germans were decidedly poor marksmen. The horses fared the worst; we lost between 30 and 40 of them. We had a score or so of wounded men, but only three were killed. The morning sun was high when our bugler blew assembly. We came up slowly, driving our prisoners ahead of us. We took about 200 men, most of them insane from fright. The villages of Rypno and Fastow were aflame. They belched dense clouds of black smoke, which lazily rose to the morning sky. In withdrawing, the remnants of the German battalion did not miss the chance to set the torch to two innocent villages. Then, suddenly, from the north a sound of an explosion could be heard. In a few minutes there came another, and after a while two more shook the air. This was the signal that our engineers had done their job. The bridge over the Narew and the railway track had been blown up.

M. Kamil DZIEWANOWSKI Is a professor emeritus of Contemporary Russian and East European History at Boston University and Associate of the Russian Research Center at Harvard. He has published several books:

The Communist Party of Poland - An Outline of History, Harvard University Press, 1959 and 1976

1. A European Federalist - Joseph Pilsudski and Eastern Europe, 1918-1922, Hoover Institution, 19693. 20th Centry Poland, Columbia University Press, 1977 and 1979
2. A History of Soviet Russia, Prentice Hall, 1979, 1984, 1988, 1992, and in 1996 under a new title
3. A History of Soviet Russia and its Aftermath.
4. War at Any Price: A History of WWII in Europe, Prentice Hall, 1987, 1990
5. Alexander I - Russia's Mysterious Tsar, Hippocrene Books, 1990
6. One Life is not Enough, Marszalek, Torun, 1994 (in Polish)

His article makes clear that he was a junior officer in the Polish cavalry at the beginning of the Second World War and participated in the cavalry charge he describes.

http://www.polishnews.com/fulltext/history/2001/history4.shtml


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WOW, AMAZING! Feel sorry for the German boys though, they mustve had a HUGE fright! Very vivid. It seems so out of place, however. Archaic lancers and hussars attacking a convoy of mechanized infantry! Ill be sure to print it from the link you gave, and give it to anyone who claims the Poles were worthless and a pushover for the Germans. Thanks LI
 
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