POLL: Would you pay a $5000 "public safety bond" to gain the 12x designation?
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How about $200 per device?
http://blog.adamsarms.net/blog/how-do-i-get-an-nfa-tax-stamp
Unfortunately that's even a bit steep given the value of some short barreled guns.
But if you've got $30K Tommy gun sitting in the closet...
http://blog.adamsarms.net/blog/how-do-i-get-an-nfa-tax-stamp
Unfortunately that's even a bit steep given the value of some short barreled guns.
But if you've got $30K Tommy gun sitting in the closet...
Tax Stamp
A $200 tax stamp needs to be bought for each weapon transaction submitted unless you are buying a weapon that falls under the “any other weapons” category, in this case the tax stamp will cost $5. A check or money order made payable to the Bureau of ATF can be sent with the application forms to the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch.
The wait
After the paperwork is received an extensive background check is done and your fingerprints are ran by FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). If all is in order, approval is granted and your ATF form 4, fingerprints, and photos are filed with the BATFE and your duplicate Form 4 with canceled tax stamp is sent to you. The process can take around 90-180 days but recently has been taking 7-11 months.
This is just a brief overview of the process for an individual to get a NFA Tax Stamp. I would recommend you consult your dealer for further questions. For more information contact the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Good luck with your application and be patient!
A $200 tax stamp needs to be bought for each weapon transaction submitted unless you are buying a weapon that falls under the “any other weapons” category, in this case the tax stamp will cost $5. A check or money order made payable to the Bureau of ATF can be sent with the application forms to the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch.
The wait
After the paperwork is received an extensive background check is done and your fingerprints are ran by FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). If all is in order, approval is granted and your ATF form 4, fingerprints, and photos are filed with the BATFE and your duplicate Form 4 with canceled tax stamp is sent to you. The process can take around 90-180 days but recently has been taking 7-11 months.
This is just a brief overview of the process for an individual to get a NFA Tax Stamp. I would recommend you consult your dealer for further questions. For more information contact the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Good luck with your application and be patient!
I'm on side with your points 1&2 Bob. My attempt to give a reason for CCW was predicated on IF your concerns could be adequately addresses in the context of those in our population who face a clear and present danger that significantly exceeds the inherent risk to other random individuals.
With respect to the BG breakin, today's laws allow storage of firearms and ammunition within easy reach of a householder provided secure storage requirements can be met - if one chooses that option. Recognizing that if you do use deadly force your actions will be closely scrutinized and castle laws do not apply.
easyrider604
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Greater Vancouver, BC
Hell no! That would just like agreeing and believing that there should even be a prohibited class.
$200 now is walking-around money.
When it was introduced in 1934, during the Great Depression, US$200 was about 2 or 3 months wages.
It was a HUGE amount.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR, YOU MIGHT JUST GET IT.
thepolinator
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Sudbury, ON
Its sickening that you even connected law abiding gun owners with the victims of crime fund. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH CRIMINALS, why the heck should anyone evenconsider that we contribute to that fund.
Your stats are a bit deceiving. There were not 380K violent personal attacks in 2015 as you suggest. There were 380K violent crimes committed. The two are not the same but nice try. For those interested here is where he gets his information.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/160720/t001a-eng.htm
In fact the total crime rate actually fell 30% from a decade earlier. If you felt safe in 2005, it would seem you are 30% safer now. This is not to say crime is not a problem. I would suggest we are some ways off from living in a society where arming oneself is something to be considered. I find it interesting in the US the CCW types claim the US crime rate has fallen because of the increase in CCW states. The counter argument of course is, so has ours at remarkably, virtually the same rate without CCW. Most folks who follow these trends suggest the rate has fallen because the baby boomers got older. Crime rates have fallen pretty much steadily since reaching a peak in the 70's when the boomers were still active. LOL.
Take Care
Bob
PS I have to side with IM_Lugger on this one.
Grandfathering is a death-trap. The oldest trick in the book. Hence why no firearms advocacy group anywhere supports it, and why liberal/socialist governments always propose it.
Let those that have, "keep" (sort of)... only to roll that back later (like happened in this country with prohib rifles).
Those that "have" (sort of) feel smug and satisfied (for awhile)... those that don't, covet the "special privileges"... the groups bicker among themselves... create polls on the internet and all kinds of things.
After about 30-40 years... its all academic anyway. Most of the prohibited items are all long gone... the grandfathered licence holders are all little old men... or dead... and everyone else... for a couple of generations... has internalized insane ideas like pistols with barrels 105mm or less are somehow unacceptable to be owned by licenced gun owners...
By that time the socialist/liberals have long since moved ahead many, many steps on the death by 1000 cuts plan.
We are on year 20 of the 30-40 year plan. It is almost over, and yah... the liberal/socialists have long since moved on to other thing (all "military" style semi-auto rifles)...
Don't covet 12.6 or 12.anything. It is beneath you, and not worth your time and effort. Don't fight for the scraps of 20 years ago. Utterly pointless endeavor.
Covet freedom.
Let those that have, "keep" (sort of)... only to roll that back later (like happened in this country with prohib rifles).
Those that "have" (sort of) feel smug and satisfied (for awhile)... those that don't, covet the "special privileges"... the groups bicker among themselves... create polls on the internet and all kinds of things.
After about 30-40 years... its all academic anyway. Most of the prohibited items are all long gone... the grandfathered licence holders are all little old men... or dead... and everyone else... for a couple of generations... has internalized insane ideas like pistols with barrels 105mm or less are somehow unacceptable to be owned by licenced gun owners...
By that time the socialist/liberals have long since moved ahead many, many steps on the death by 1000 cuts plan.
We are on year 20 of the 30-40 year plan. It is almost over, and yah... the liberal/socialists have long since moved on to other thing (all "military" style semi-auto rifles)...
Don't covet 12.6 or 12.anything. It is beneath you, and not worth your time and effort. Don't fight for the scraps of 20 years ago. Utterly pointless endeavor.
Covet freedom.
Maybe a "Tax Stamp" would be agreeable to many. Revenue for the gov't but they'd have to be usable on ranges for anyone to pay it.
Sickening? Seems to me that depends on how it's presented.
It appears that you are interpreting it as guilt money paid to people who have been victimized and because we own guns we must atone for that. Complicated although the dots can be connected in a straw man argument.
Simpler explanation is that we are caring human beings who care about other human beings and are offering a hand up.
Tell me, what charities do you contribute to and do you do it out of guilt or to help others?
I've seen enough evidence over the years that the government is not bound by contract law to act in a prescribed manner. Hell, they don't even follow the laws that they themselves make.
We need something "enshrined" as in Charter.
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
Yeah right, give the Federal criminals $5,000 more than they coerce from me already so I can own a FAL that I can't even take out of my house?
Not a chance in hell....
Not a chance in hell....
Id pay it if it was a one time only fee and they allowed us to use the firearms at ranges and in areas that are safe to shoot. I would not pay it if it had to be repaid every time our PALs expired or if they wouldnt allow us to use and enjoy the firearms. I had thought of this idea a long time ago as a way for the government to make extra money plus allow law abiding people to finally be able to own and be able to use their deam guns. The fee should only be about $1000 though as it will make it better for more people to participate.
The folks in the US pay huge dollars to be able to own a tommy gun or an mg42, it shouldnt be that way. I dont want a system like theirs where only the very wealthy can go do it. For those who are saying its just another tax grab for the government remember that you dont have to pay it as your not being forced to, unlike all our other taxes!
The folks in the US pay huge dollars to be able to own a tommy gun or an mg42, it shouldnt be that way. I dont want a system like theirs where only the very wealthy can go do it. For those who are saying its just another tax grab for the government remember that you dont have to pay it as your not being forced to, unlike all our other taxes!
