POLL: Would you pay a $5000 "public safety bond" to gain the 12x designation?

Would you pay a large fee (used as a safety bond) to gain PROHIB STATUS??

  • YES, I'd come up with the money come hell or high water

    Votes: 126 32.5%
  • Not a chance in hell I'd give the Govt and more cash

    Votes: 211 54.4%
  • It would depend on what they did with the money

    Votes: 38 9.8%
  • if you want prohib status, move to the U.S.

    Votes: 13 3.4%

  • Total voters
    388
Quote Originally Posted by anchor3593 View Post
Okay - here is a good idea. If a person has had their RPAL with a spotless record for a few years - say 5 or 10, we should be allowed to have another level of license - and this could extend again later to include the highest levels of license - like concealed carry and full auto. I don't mind the idea of older, settled fellows (or gals) packing, but I don't think much of arming cocky young punks (or dames) who have shaky young egos.

With this system, we have a new clean elite class which we can all have access to by means of level-headed good behavior. If one has been apt to beat the wife or kids, drive drunk or stoned or such, there might be an appeal process which takes a long time to get through - if at all - and might require a bond.

The weakness of this system is the law. If the other parts of the law work to weed out the trash, this system works. Almost all of the "problem" people demonstrate their problems at some point in a 5 or ten year span in youth, so it is unlikely that "evil" folks will slip through.

Marriage blowups or such might require a lengthy timeout - so be kind to your spouse folks - and get her into shooting too - because then she won't threaten to get your guns taken away - because she would lose her license too!


Thank you!

In a constructive conversation I would suggest adding some clauses etc. but the idea of a graduated licence / privileges isn't heresy as far as I'm concerned.

With you on getting the spouse involved. Wifey has her RPAL plus the iron to go with it so our "domestic differences" are very civil. ;-)


Okay - here is my reasoning.

It is made palatable for politicians in this way - no Sandy Hook shootings or the like will pop up because of it - from the time of the law changing to the time that it actually affects anything would be a number of years.

It will buy votes in the short term - before any possible negatives become apparent.

Once a party holds this promise out to younger folks, they may be quite loyal to the party that shows them enough respect to entrust them with guns. Once we see ourselves as "specially licensed," we will be loathe to give up this part of our identity ( and will keep voting them in.) This is no small thing to hold out to a politician - loyal voters.

It will avoid the nasty business of beating doors down to get the 12-6 stuff out of the publics hands - and keep them from going underground.

It would make the Liberals furious - letting folks out from under the Thumb or it would make the PCs furious if the Liberals stole this thunder.

Likely, the cops would not be worried about it - most would like a little taste of freedom themselves and if a few good folks packed a little something, it may not bother them much. Any who do have the license to pack would be very careful to use that freedom wisely - and the cops would know that. Neither would the cops care that licensed folks own little guns or fully auto guns - anyone who holds such a license isn't going to lose it over an unsafe storage charge, so unauthorized access by kids etc. would be rare.

Allowing an armed citizenry is cheaper than buying jets - and buying jets will cost money and votes but allowing this will cost little but will get votes.
 
Ok, I covet freedom. How much can I realistically get and what's the path forward to the goal?

The only path is to do what you can to help elect a majority Conservative government that has the political will, and the political capital, to reform Canadian firearms laws and stand up to the entrenched disarmament bureaucracy (the RCMP, primarily).

As difficult as that is, it is all that there is. All there ever has been.

All the rest of it is just the same old pointless talk and fantasies that have come up again and again in firearms circles since at least the 1990s.

You could give Liberal/socialists and their preferred causes or charities all the money in the world and they would never look at your interest in firearms as anything other than a threat to be eradicated. Since this is Canada, they prefer to eradicate threats slowly, bureaucratically, and without paying anybody to give up their property.

People are paying $1,500 to meet with Trudeau for a few minutes. $5,000 for a prohib gun licence? That airplane never gets off the runway. To extend the metaphor... in this country the pilot never gets in the cockpit. All of these ideas have been talked to death since the 1990s. Without the votes and the seats in the Commons, nothing happens.

Prohib means exactly what it says... its gone. Prohibited. Game over. Grandfathering is just an old trick that has been used time-and-again to get people to go along with confiscation with a minimum of fuss and complaining. It is a perfect strategy that works very well in a country like Canada where, collectively, we don't really get involved, join, donate or stick our necks out under any circumstances. We just huddle in our corners, telling ourselves and hoping against hope "I should be o.k. with the stuff I have".

Join your Conservative riding association; meet your Conservative MP/candidate; join a firearms group and get involved in what they are trying to do; donate your time; donate money. If even 5% of gun owners did this, we would have had these issues licked a long time ago. But this is Canada... where we don't want to do any of this. We prefer to just stay huddled in our own corners... talking the same old fancy ideas to death: "What if this?", "What if that?"

It is the real votes in the real election that count.

I'm not criticizing you, I'm just tired of people trying to think of "new" ideas. Ideas don't matter when it comes to firearms laws, because nobody ever changes their minds anyway. Electing pro-gun legislators is the only thing that does anything. They figured this out in the U.S. 20 years ago. We are still figuring it out here. We'll never change the public's minds no matter how much money we give to pet causes. That isn't what happened in the U.S. - views changed when the laws started to change. If you wait for the public's views on firearms to change, you wait forever.
 
$5K for CCW would be better

Can I infer from this that you are dead-set against CCW/ATC?
ATC is theoretically possible now in Canada, but the conditions to get it are set far too high.
Adding a $5000 fee on top would absolutely lock out damn near everyone.

If you are solidly against concealed carry, I respect your choice, but I do not share your view.
 
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I have 12/6, it isn't worth 5k (the poll said nothing about allowing new 12/'s into the country). I wouldn't pay 5k for the other 12's either since they are literally paperweights, if you were actually allowed to shoot them it would be a different story. While we're at it, I'd like an invite to an orgy at the playboy mansion, and a night with Jennifer Lawrence, and I think they are far more realistic wishes
 
Can I infer from this that you are dead-set against CCW/ATC?
ATC is theoretically possible now in Canada, but the conditions to get it are set far too high.
Adding a $5000 fee on top would absolutely lock out damn near everyone.

If you are solidly against concealed carry, I respect your choice, but I do not share your view.

The meaning of my comment was that if $5K was all it took to get CCW in Canada, I'd pay it in a heartbeat. I am a firm believer that law abiding citizens should be able to have CCW. I use the US term as the ATC concept in Canada is an illusion for most people at this point in time.
 
This is the problem with gun owners we always fall for compromise. The statement a gun is a gun, is what I believe. If there should be a class of firearms that are prohib it would be full automatic.
 
This is the problem with gun owners we always fall for compromise. The statement a gun is a gun, is what I believe. If there should be a class of firearms that are prohib it would be full automatic.

Based on what criteria?
 
That's not how a bond works, so the initial question is irrelevant. A bond doesn't provide any form of income, it's offered as a surety against liability - how much protection against liability do you think you're offering for $5,000? What you're suggesting is a $5K bribe to get you special treatment, which is very different. You might get a carry licence in the Philippines for that, but Canadian politicians cost much more.
 
I've always wondered how the gov has gotten away with creating 'classes' of Canadians whereby these classes enjoy different 'freedoms'...

And NO WAY would I pay for something that I should be allowed to have seeing as others have them!

Frig that!

Cheers
Jay
 
I've always wondered how the gov has gotten away with creating 'classes' of Canadians whereby these classes enjoy different 'freedoms'...

And NO WAY would I pay for something that I should be allowed to have seeing as others have them!

Frig that!

Cheers
Jay

I agree. Some people enjoy privileges based on family lineage.
The law has created separate classes of people. That's grandfathering.
 
Don't get me wrong tooner. I just want to guage public attitude towards something. I am just trying to stimulate ideas from people. As things are going now, we are going backwards daily with our "rights" and I wanna go the other way. I would love to own a Luger more than ANYTHING in the world. I can be trusted with a gun a 1/2" longer. Can you guys come up with a better plan for me to get a Luger?

Yes, there is a far better way to deal with corrupt government. Widespread civil disobedience.
I will not hand over more of my hard earned money to elitist, arrogant, thieving, lying government.
 
Bribe the gruberment for something that they stole from us. NO.

Silencer for say $1k maybe. Will suck it up for health/safety; I like my hearing.
 
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