POLL: Would you pay a $5000 "public safety bond" to gain the 12x designation?
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I'd pay it if it included a quality 7 day carry and use of force training course, and also included a CC / OC permit afterwards for any of my owned handguns.
MY argument against the "rich elite would be the only ones who could afford it" would be that if you want to CC (as in my stipulations), you should likely be practicing regularly enough to be able to hit a target. That means buying ammo. $5000 really isn't a lot of money these days. Especially if it was a one time fee for the training and permits.
Maybe a refresher course every 3 years to cover legal changes, memory refresher, etc, for $200-300?
And an income tax deduction for government training. HAHA!
MY argument against the "rich elite would be the only ones who could afford it" would be that if you want to CC (as in my stipulations), you should likely be practicing regularly enough to be able to hit a target. That means buying ammo. $5000 really isn't a lot of money these days. Especially if it was a one time fee for the training and permits.
Maybe a refresher course every 3 years to cover legal changes, memory refresher, etc, for $200-300?
And an income tax deduction for government training. HAHA!
1.There would be great divergence between the government and myself on what constitutes a good cause.
2. The association between victims of crime and me paying a "bond" for my good behaviour is inherently wrong, but supposing this were the case, if I am paying the government for the privilege of obeying the law, do I get my money back if I decide to break the law?
3. There wouldn't be enough money in this to entice the government to allow us anything we don't have, but I will be thoroughly unsurprised if the government imposes a "public safety bond" on owners (except of course the criminals) of all classes of firearms as a result of this discussion.
Don't get me wrong tooner. I just want to guage public attitude towards something. I am just trying to stimulate ideas from people. As things are going now, we are going backwards daily with our "rights" and I wanna go the other way. I would love to own a Luger more than ANYTHING in the world. I can be trusted with a gun a 1/2" longer. Can you guys come up with a better plan for me to get a Luger?
justinb1981
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Victims of crime account? So I should pay $5000 to a victims of crime fund to own a firearmnl that will never be used in a crime? Why would you want that? And what does it do for public preception of gun owners. Kinda hard to say I'm a law abiding firearm owner, my guns have nothing to do with crime when you have to donate to victims of crime to own one. I'd rather light myself on fire than do something like that
There are enough g'dang taxes already in this country. You get taxed on the money you make, you get taxed on the money you spend, and depending what you'd like to spend your double taxed money on, you have to spend more money on permit(s) or license(s), which will also be taxed...
Where do people draw the line and tell the government to FO? I don't know, but I do know the last thing we need is MORE classifications and regulations in the Firearms Act.
I would very much like to see a lot of the prohibited firearms be reclassified as restricted, so we could actually shoot them at a range instead of just being a conversation piece.
Where do people draw the line and tell the government to FO? I don't know, but I do know the last thing we need is MORE classifications and regulations in the Firearms Act.
I would very much like to see a lot of the prohibited firearms be reclassified as restricted, so we could actually shoot them at a range instead of just being a conversation piece.
Okay - here is a good idea. If a person has had their RPAL with a spotless record for a few years - say 5 or 10, we should be allowed to have another level of license - and this could extend again later to include the highest levels of license - like concealed carry and full auto. I don't mind the idea of older, settled fellows (or gals) packing, but I don't think much of arming cocky young punks (or dames) who have shaky young egos.
With this system, we have a new clean elite class which we can all have access to by means of level-headed good behavior. If one has been apt to beat the wife or kids, drive drunk or stoned or such, there might be an appeal process which takes a long time to get through - if at all - and might require a bond.
The weakness of this system is the law. If the other parts of the law work to weed out the trash, this system works. Almost all of the "problem" people demonstrate their problems at some point in a 5 or ten year span in youth, so it is unlikely that "evil" folks will slip through.
Marriage blowups or such might require a lengthy timeout - so be kind to your spouse folks - and get her into shooting too - because then she won't threaten to get your guns taken away - because she would lose her license too!
This right here was the purpose of my poll. To get people thinking and coming up with constructive ideas about what we can pitch to government leaders to make some headway. To allow one guy to have them because he owned such and such a type of gun when they changed the law is stupid. To have allowed the lawmakers of the day to even make these changes was more stupid. I think that a graduated licencing system would be a decent way to change some peoples minds.
MY IDEAL: Permissive
- Anyone is allowed to own anything, until there's evidence to show they can't (e.g. violent behaviour). "Innocent until proven guilty."
- No licensing, no limitations, no restrictions. Big, small, full auto, all ok. Store anywhere, carry loaded, ... all ok.
- concealed carry ok, even encouraged
- everybody chooses to get lots of training, nobody is forced to
- everybody is ultra-safe, keeps guns away from kids, "when the booze comes out, the guns go in," etc.
- we all behave like good, peaceful, responsible adults and live happily ever after
Maybe in 2019 ?
More seriously:
DISLIKES
- gun possession treated as crime
- gun owners treated as criminals-in-waiting
- treatment of gun owners as guilty until proven innocent, that we have to earn the right to own guns, or certain types of gun
- criminalizing licensing, storage, transportation if done wrong
- laws/rules restricting products/technology (barrel length, magazine capacity, appearance), instead restricting behaviours (don't hurt innocent people!)
- belief that tougher laws can stop violent criminals
COMPROMISE?
- Licence: Pass a test of knowledge and skill (maybe safety and proficiency?) to get a licence valid for life, and then no restrictions. (Pass test = shall issue)
- Encourage people to get training
- Concealed carry: some sort of "good" course, over X months. Tests judgment/decisionmaking, law, skill.
- Maybe a self-regulating organization, similar to professions (engineers, lawyers, doctors, ...)
- what else?
- Anyone is allowed to own anything, until there's evidence to show they can't (e.g. violent behaviour). "Innocent until proven guilty."
- No licensing, no limitations, no restrictions. Big, small, full auto, all ok. Store anywhere, carry loaded, ... all ok.
- concealed carry ok, even encouraged
- everybody chooses to get lots of training, nobody is forced to
- everybody is ultra-safe, keeps guns away from kids, "when the booze comes out, the guns go in," etc.
- we all behave like good, peaceful, responsible adults and live happily ever after
Maybe in 2019 ?
More seriously:
DISLIKES
- gun possession treated as crime
- gun owners treated as criminals-in-waiting
- treatment of gun owners as guilty until proven innocent, that we have to earn the right to own guns, or certain types of gun
- criminalizing licensing, storage, transportation if done wrong
- laws/rules restricting products/technology (barrel length, magazine capacity, appearance), instead restricting behaviours (don't hurt innocent people!)
- belief that tougher laws can stop violent criminals
COMPROMISE?
- Licence: Pass a test of knowledge and skill (maybe safety and proficiency?) to get a licence valid for life, and then no restrictions. (Pass test = shall issue)
- Encourage people to get training
- Concealed carry: some sort of "good" course, over X months. Tests judgment/decisionmaking, law, skill.
- Maybe a self-regulating organization, similar to professions (engineers, lawyers, doctors, ...)
- what else?
Come up with one valid reason for concealed carry other than, "I want to" or some notion that it has something to do with "freedom" or "rights". Other than the US and South Africa is there another nation in the Western World that provides for "Concealed Carry" or where there is a need to be armed? Just asking because others would ask the same questions.
Take Care
Bob
Take Care
Bob
