PPSh 41 build--Shotgun News

[MarkdevCanada]

I don't it has to be a new design, think Sterling Police carbine which is just semi-auto L2A3 SMG, or the semi auto open bolt stens or the semi-auto open bolt MP38 etc. I think it just has to a NEW receiver. All the other parts can be re-used just like one of those semi auto belt fed 1919A4.

Also lets remember that just as much as we think the laws make no sense, but are still subject to the law, so are the RCMP and the CFC. Unless the LAW says you can't do something, then you can. The CFC may not like it, but remember they are subject to the very same law we are.

 

[splurge]

Hmmmmm. Once again - what's the actual rules in regards to this? IE - if one were to make a completely new design of sub gun that fired from open bolt with fixed pin, and only capable of doing it for semi auto, would there be any rules they could cite for not allowing it?

From there, if it happend to look like something else externally, well, that'd be coincidence wouldn't it?

It does not have to be a new design. It must be made with a new receiver, but can be an original design which is capable of semi auto only. This makes it a civilian version and legal in Canada.

 

[splurge]

also lets remember that just as much as we think the laws make no sense, but are still subject to the law, so are the rcmp and the cfc. Unless the law says you can't do something, then you can. The cfc may not like it, but remember they are subject to the very same law we are.

exactly !

 

[contact148]

the problem with an open bolt fixed pin design is that when you submit it for testing the lab will attempt to get it to fire FA so...... if they could insert lets say a paperclip and hold the sear down they would not approve it


also these guns were all handfitted at the factory so if your top cover (reciever) was a tad too loose the bolt may "bounce or jump" over your sear and fire more then 1 rnd per pull

where as a hammer fired gun with a floating or spring loaded fireing pin this would not matter

bottom line is build it with permission from cfo/cfc/rcmp on paper! and submit it

but if it fails you loose it

 

[splurge]

the problem with an open bolt fixed pin design is that when you submit it for testing the lab will attempt to get it to fire FA so...... if they could insert lets say a paperclip and hold the sear down they would not approve it

Have you tried this ?

also these guns were all handfitted at the factory so if your top cover (reciever) was a tad too loose the bolt may "bounce or jump" over your sear and fire more then 1 rnd per pull

A newly made one will have to be hand fitted as well.

 

[contact148]

NO i have not tried this ( i dont have a ppsh41 thats fires only a dewatt) AND that would NOT be legal to do

but ive been told that it worked very well back in the day with several other CA subguns bottom line is if RCMP get it to go FA it fails so hammer fired would be hard to do that but hey open bolt might pass too submit it and see

as for the fitting

look up the PPSH41 build threads on weaponeer fourms

MANY of the guys had the problem of the bolt jumping over the sear which means you have a unregistered FA and are in BIG trouble

thge problem arises in the hinge pin hole and trunion it throws everything off alingment

guys were building up thier recievers and bolts hopeing to tighten things up


other guys the bolts were catching but tipping causeing jaming at the ejector fileing down the ejector fixed this but then ejection problems resulted

not too many of these turned out to be reliable some would run but only with certian ammo types and we are VERY limted to that here lucky for us the stuff marstar and others sell seemed to work very well....

build what you want be remember the rcmp decides whats legal or not or acceptable to them. NOT you or the legal opinion expressed on this board. if your gun fails you dont get it back as you cannot possess an unregistered-non grandfathered CA/FA

 

[tiriaq]

...the problem with an open bolt fixed pin design is that when you submit it for testing the lab will attempt to get it to fire FA so...... if they could insert lets say a paperclip and hold the sear down they would not approve it....

Consider the SSD guns, which were submitted and subsequently approved for importation and sale. I do not think that ease of illegal conversion was much of a consideration.
There were real functionning problems with the rebuilt PPShs in the US. The SR41s from InterOrd apparently had all sorts of problems. Perhaps this SGN design is more functional.
Receiver alignment was a factor in original PPSh function. If the upper receiver is slightly sprung, the gun can have problems.
Tolerance stacking can be a problem in any design. When some of the parts are salvaged original, possibly well used, while others are newly made of a slightly different design, and the whole thing is put together without any access to gauges or precise specifications, it would be remarkable if the thing was trouble free without tinkering.

 

[splurge]

contact

The US builds you mention fire from a closed bolt. I think it best to compare like with like.

 

[tiriaq]

The closed bolt, floating firing pin design conversion mandated by US authorities can cause all sorts of redesign problems. It can be hard enough for a factory with a professional design team and full production capability to produce a trouble free firearm.

 

[splurge]

It looks like someone will have to build an open bolt ppsh 41, anything else is just talk.

 

[DaveGP]

It looks like someone will have to build an open bolt ppsh 41, anything else is just talk.

Please go ahead and start the project - you seem to have all the answers.

 

[tiriaq]

And, of course, there would need to be proof of legality.

 

[splurge]

Please go ahead and start the project - you seem to have all the answers.

Ok.

 

[splurge]

And, of course, there would need to be proof of legality.

legality ?

 

[DaveGP]

legality ?

As in an FRT number when you get it approved - should only take a year...or more.

 

[H Wally]

And, of course, there would need to be proof of legality.

You mean notifying the cfc right?

 

[splurge]

As in an FRT number when you get it approved - should only take a year...or more.

I would be happy to wager the inspection will be over withing a month of the CFC receiving it.

Don't ask me how I know, but things are changing for the better at the CFC.

 

[DaveGP]

I would be happy to wager the inspection will be over withing a month of the CFC receiving it.

Don't ask me how I know, but things are changing for the better at the CFC.

That's news - they are sitting on some dewat paperwork for almost 18 months now!

 

[tiriaq]

As in an FRT number when you get it approved - should only take a year...or more.

Nice thing about an FRT number is that any verifier with online access can look it up.
A serial number is only good for Firearms Officers, LEOs, etc. Of course, one of these folks can run a serial and see what information the registry has on the gun. Now if the gun didn't match the FRT number against which it was registered......

 

[contact148]

several members including myself have submitted firearms to RCMP for testing and FRT# to be issiued

takes 1 year MIN i think only one of us have had thier firearm returned.......