PPSh 41 build--Shotgun News

The prohibited firearms are classed 12(2 through 7). 2 is full auto, 3 is converted auto. The .25, .32 and under 105mm barrelled pistols are 12(6). If you go to the CFC website, you can see the list. www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca.
hedgehog is right, I agree that it is a shame to scrap one, although unless the law changes there isn't much future for one. Now that SAPs (a sort of ATT for prohib. longarms) are gone, there is no way to even shoot one on a range.
Current dewats are welded solid, no moving parts, with the bolts ruined before being welded solid. It might be possible to find an older dewat. It would #### and click, the boltface would be ruined, there would be a pin through the receiver and chamber, welded in place, the trigger mechanism might be welded for semi only, and there will be welding to prevent disassembly. Very few parts could be salvaged, and the important ones will be ruined.
A PPSh would be an interesting project, but more challenging than a Sten type firearm. The PPSh is one of the more historic firearms of the 20th century.
 
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C96 said:
...Quite a lot of fun, however loading the magazines does make ones thumb sore.:D

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Even with the loading tool.
I have never understood why these were named the PPS. They only vaguely resemble a PPSh, the PPS not at all, and the PPD a fair bit.
 
well i think with the plans , one could make one from scratch. more difficult, more time consuming , and let historic for sure. It can be done. a redesign of the trigger mechanism will be in order, or some other means of semi auto only.

maybe ill draw this up in solidworks and see if i can make it work. i need a new project as my sten is done (less the reciever) and awaiting approval
 
The biggest hurdle would be forming the receiver. The metal is fairly heavy. Forming tools would have to be made, and access would be needed to a pretty big press. If you look around the US boards, there are builders pressing rear receiver sections to be welded to original barrel jackets. Can't do that here, though. There is the 80% receiver mentionned earlier in the thread, the heavy forming is done, but getting one of these could be interesting.
 
I know my highschool shop has a fair sized press, why don't you try one of your local highschools? Maybe you can work out a deal with the shop teacher, about using some of the equipment after school hours.

Not sure how metal stampings work, but i get the basic idea i think. If you are going to do some machining, why not make some stamping dye's too :)?
 
I suspect even if the teacher was ok with it he'd get in hell from the schoolboard for letting someone else build gun parts in his shop.

It'd be nice, but unless it's a technical school with less politically correct management I'm betting someone will kick up a fuss over it.

Worth a try though.
 
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I suspect even if the teacher was ok with it he'd get in hell from the schoolboard for letting someone else build gun parts in his shop.

It'd be nice, but unless it's a technical school with less politically correct management I'm betting someone will kick up a fuss over it.

Worth a try though.
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Well, i guess that leaves paying for stuff to be done at a professional metal shop? Unless anybody has got "hook ups" to a nice autobody , or aircraft mechanics shop or something? Especially the metal shops in and around airports, they've got real specialized equipment for shaping sheet metals and stamping.

I like this idea though, would be nice to pop out 80% receivers (or whatever they are called here) in decent numbers :D. Could really open up a small new world for people recreating these old relics.

I personally have considered trying to "reverse engineer" my remnants of a receiver, but its just too big! I'd love to be able to make my own stampings, because unfortunately to go out and buy myself a complete receiver is like $1700 USD...
 
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there is no discussion or sale of 80% anything on this board. Against the rules . if you want one you have to make it yourself. if someone made up tooling to form the receivers , then you could rent/loan that out i would think.
 
Sorry about the 80%, i'm referring to just raw stampings, but the name escaped me. I think the term "receiver blanks" would be more appropriate.

Do you think the holes in the shroud were stamped right in? 1st stamping is for the cutout outline and holes, and then they are put through possibly a second stamping to bend it into the shroud / upper receiver?

That seems like it would be a hard process. I did see 2 piece receiver stampings with an increased barrel shroud length to accommodate a longer barrel for sale last year on some american "Weaponeer.net". Don't think they are being made anymore, but i think they were excess from Century's ppsh41 run.

http://ioinc.us/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IO&Product_Code=SR41REC-WHITE&Category_Code=sr41
Don't know if these are the same thing, would be nice to get this thing over here. But it requires an ffl transfer, impossible pretty much to get here, unless you have american family purchase it, then transfer it through questar maybe, like a complete firearm?


edit: Did some exploring, you've got to register for the site, but this thread details the semi-auto building of the Wiselite / Century ppsh41. Maybe you can pull some aspects from the design and incorporate it into this new build?
http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3486&PN=1&TPN=1
 
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the bad guy: You just did a bad thing there... you made me aware that you have a ppsh kit.... now I'm going to be asking you lots of questions!!! :D

Kit looks pretty good for being dewatted actually... Any and all pics that you have of that kit would be cool if you have the time. Even the dissassembly reassembly pics sometimes leave out aspects of the gun that you would never otherwise think of or knotice.
 
hi the badguy AKA spencer and bye very shortly!

that kit is a U.S saw or tourch cut kit that CANNOT have been exported from the us legally
 
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When the selector on a PPSh is shifted, the bracket that supports the disconnector is moved foreward and back. When it is in the rearward position, the bolt casues the disconnector to push the tripping plunger set in the front of the trigger back into the trigger, and the sear is released, to catch the bolt. In the CA conversions, the bracket is cut loose from the selector, and welded into the rearward position both with surface welds, and plug welds through the right hand side of the trigger housing. The selector can still move, but does nothing. This was the approved method for converting the trigger mechanism to semi only, and as far as such things go, is superior to just welding a block to prevent movement of the selector or the disconnector bracket.
 
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the bad guy: You just did a bad thing there... you made me aware that you have a ppsh kit.... now I'm going to be asking you lots of questions!!! :D
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Be careful if you start PMing or Emailing Spencer. At some point he will no doubt get dinged for smuggling his kits into the country, and when he does, do you really want to be on his email address book, with all your conversations or purchases detailed out?
 
found a milled receiver. doesn't look to hard to machine.


"integral blocking rail for the semi-conversion milled into it"
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Well, there's a solution to half the problem. The front end is perhaps more complicated than the back end, though.
Just a suggestion - for a Soviet type smg reproduction, wouldn't a PPD be an easier gun to scratch build? At least it is tubular.
 
well the front half doesnt look too terrible either. looks like the holes were stamped then pressed into its final shape. the steel isnt too thick, it can be done. i would want too start a production line but one off would be ok

i sure would like a complete set of drawings for the whole gun. i think scratch building the entire gun would be a nice project.
 
There is a set of drawings floating around. How accurate they are, I cannot say. Have seen a photo of receiver pieces in process, a set captured in Pyongyang during the Korean War. The piece was blanked out, all holes pierced, and then the forming began. The wrap around in the barrel area was one of the last steps. Setting up the tooling and jigs to form a receiver would take a lot longer than actually making the part. Original production used punch presses. Big ones. Forming dies could be used with a hydraulic shop press, if the capacity was large enough. Do a google for Coldsteel Solutions. They make a blank for US builders.
 
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