Primers
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People can ask $5000 a brick for all I care. Its not like he's selling the last loaf of bread in the country. Powder and primers are wants not needs. If someone buys them, that's on them not the seller.
In November someone paid $1.53M for Babe Ruth's baseball glove. Should the seller have let it go for the price of a new glove? Wants vs needs get confused a lot.
In November someone paid $1.53M for Babe Ruth's baseball glove. Should the seller have let it go for the price of a new glove? Wants vs needs get confused a lot.
In stock south of the border. For at least a day so far.
https://www.outdoorlimited.com/fede...magnum-rifle-match-primers-gm215m-1000-count/
https://www.outdoorlimited.com/fede...magnum-rifle-match-primers-gm215m-1000-count/
For some people, me included, powders and primers are NEEDS NOT WANTS
ambishooter
CGN frequent flyer
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- Southeastern Canuckstan
Got a box of Ginex SPP last night. Hand primed 400 9 mm casings, I noticed it is somewhat tight on most pockets. I use assortment of vib tumbled casings. I just finished 450 casings using Fiocchi SPP without this issue. Before getting this Ginex SPP, I searched US forums and suggests this primer is usable. Currently best priced in Canuck market, I hope more brands starts trickling in. I will finish some reloads this weekend.
Do a test run before reloading all of them. Ginex SPP in 45ACP cases would not work in my Gold Cup or Les Baer 45s. They work fine in my Walther GSP 32.
55 bricks gone from when I posted that last night. Yep I know that is a massive market. I don't think we will see any FED 210 or 215 up here in anytime soon.
fade2black
CGN Regular
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- Central Ontario
Reliable gun had some federals not too long ago, I think they only had 500 in stock. Small batches keep coming and going but they sell quickly.
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I bought several thousand Ginex SPP before the market went crazy. I have used about 1500 in my Beretta 92fs. Had ZERO problems on the first 1000 until I installed the M*Carbo spring kit I got from Calgary Shooting Centre. Then, I had one misfire that required a double-strike out of the first 500 rounds from the next box. 1 out of 500. Jeff Cooper always figured that 1 in 1000 was acceptable, so I have to fire 500 more of them. I am using -- truth be told -- the lightest spring in that spring kit. My Double Action pull went from 10.75 pounds down to 6.75. My Single Action pull went from 4.5 to like 2.5. It's almost too light for a service gun, in my opinion. My limited experience -- mostly in Mexico -- is that you spend more time pointing your gun at someone and yelling at them to "show me your hands, show me your hands" before realizing you need to say it in Spanish to get the best results (muestrame tus manos), than actually shooting at them. I'm sure others have had different mileage on that, but I have been lucky. Light triggers and high nervousness don't blend well. Still, the spring kit friggin' works. If you have a Beretta 92, I recommend it. Maybe don't go to the lightest spring right off the bat if Ginex primers are all you have, but let me shoot another 500 rounds and see if she misfires again. Cooper's rule of thumb was that 1/1000 is statistically acceptable. Of course, this was his opinion in a book written in 1974, if he updated his opinion on that I never heard about it.
If your 1911 is striking light, you may have installed a lighter mainspring. US GI mainsprings are quite heavy as they had to fire the same ammo used in the Thompsons and Grease Gun which often had really hard, crimped in primers. It may add a bit to your 1911's pull-weight, but it will probably fire them with one of those springs aboard.
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ambishooter
CGN frequent flyer
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- Southeastern Canuckstan
Will do. I will finish hand priming the remaining primers shortly. Will do some test loads this weekend.
BattleRife
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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Tenda just listed Ginex small rifle primers for $84/k. We are headed the right direction.
It would be NICE if Ginex and the lower-end primers settled around 50.00/1000 but realistically, seeing what everything else has done (the Canadian and American dollar are basically devalued. The Canadian dollar was worth 15.50 pesos a year ago and now I was getting 12.40. U.S. dollar fell the same amount against the Mexican Peso -- a country that did not have the CERB or anything like it while our-side bankrupted itself paying people not to work), I imagine 60.00 would be a more reasonable target. Federal and CCI would probably be higher.
But yes, it's got to continue to fall because "the price of primers was just too damned high." That would make a great Political Campaign slogan for anyone thinking of running for Office.
On the BBC tonight, there was a fellow from the Nato Alliance meeting being interviewed.
The one thing he mentioned was the lack of small arms ammunition within the militaries of Europe and most of the rest of the world.
He also mentioned that it would take a few years to build up the inventories needed to maintain a meaningful supply in case of such disasters as the Ukraine invasion, which is burning up the inventories of many nations in Europe and donor nations, such as Canada.
He stated that facilities producing this ammuntion were now being asked to ramp up their production of small arms ammo all the way up to Howitzer ammo.
You can bet, those extremely lucrative orders will be filled long before commercial orders. That doesn't mean some will trickle out to some of the commercial ammunition producers but that will still leave hand loaders, which make up around 5% of the purchasers, the last to be supplied in useable quantities.
Prices of small rifle primers for reloading in Europe were around C$12/hundred a few years ago, according to a friend that shoots/handloads there.
In our last communication, he told me supplies of powder/bullets/primers/cases are much more expensive now, if you can find any in stock.
For those out there hoping for $60-$75 per 1000 bricks, I wouldn't hold my breath for it happening anytime soon.
At the last two shows I was at, the best price I saw on LRPs was $300/1000 and $35/100 and that was on my table.
I didn't sell to other vendors, who would have just resold them for higher prices.
What I had were sold out within a few hours of the show opening. 10K CCI BR2.
That's a very good price
Henry at Budget sells them for $180/K and Large Rifle for $195/k
The European situation is troubling for all of us, Europeans in particular.
Lapua has "temporarily discontinued" production of some of their brass offerings, such as SRP Palma 308, 6.5 x 47, etc. to focus on military production.
Others like 223, 6.5 CM are still being produced and sold, at least in the short term. It looks like a balance between commercial sales and military commitments. Where that balance is may change as situations evolve.
Emil Praslick alluded to this a few months ago when it first became known. I don't think he mentioned the military angle specifically, just that there would be shortages stemming from ceased production of those products.
"Lucrative contracts" aside, they may have an agreement with the Finnish gov't that they are to be supplied first. I believe Lapua supplies ammunition to the armed forces of Finland, Norway, and Sweden at the very least. Maybe more.
Now that Finland is part of NATO, that commitment may be even larger.
Vihtavuori powder is going to be difficult to source as well in the coming months. Difficult to source quickly translates to expensive.
It won't be that the retailers will be charging an arm and a leg for it, just that they won't be able to get it, which means any private sales of pre-existing supplies will be liable to extreme gouging.
On the flip side of that is better recent availability of other powders, such as Hodgdon, etc. It's expensive, but it's starting to show up. That may change quickly if things in Europe continue to go south.
I switched to mostly VV for my powder choices a year or two ago, because availability was better and I was able to support a local vendor that in turn supports the local shooting community.
Lapua has "temporarily discontinued" production of some of their brass offerings, such as SRP Palma 308, 6.5 x 47, etc. to focus on military production.
Others like 223, 6.5 CM are still being produced and sold, at least in the short term. It looks like a balance between commercial sales and military commitments. Where that balance is may change as situations evolve.
Emil Praslick alluded to this a few months ago when it first became known. I don't think he mentioned the military angle specifically, just that there would be shortages stemming from ceased production of those products.
"Lucrative contracts" aside, they may have an agreement with the Finnish gov't that they are to be supplied first. I believe Lapua supplies ammunition to the armed forces of Finland, Norway, and Sweden at the very least. Maybe more.
Now that Finland is part of NATO, that commitment may be even larger.
Vihtavuori powder is going to be difficult to source as well in the coming months. Difficult to source quickly translates to expensive.
It won't be that the retailers will be charging an arm and a leg for it, just that they won't be able to get it, which means any private sales of pre-existing supplies will be liable to extreme gouging.
On the flip side of that is better recent availability of other powders, such as Hodgdon, etc. It's expensive, but it's starting to show up. That may change quickly if things in Europe continue to go south.
I switched to mostly VV for my powder choices a year or two ago, because availability was better and I was able to support a local vendor that in turn supports the local shooting community.
Bearhunter, you're trying to convince a dreamer with solid facts. I'm sure you are right. But my angle is that to make 9mm or 38 Special reloadable for under 5.00/Cdn. a box of 50, primers are going to have to be available for around 70.00/1000 and powder for around 48.00/pound (fast burning pistol/shotgun powder). And, of course, you'll have to cast your own. Four years ago, if you bought carefully, you could do it for around 3.00/box of 50. Those days are gone. I just want them to go back to "affordable". I don't care about Europe's problems -- although I realize that in today's world their problems become ours -- because I just want to shoot like "back in the day". Maybe it's not going to work out, but it's the goal I strive towards.
Living in Central Mexico for so long, I fully understand that bubble of worrying only about what goes on in one's own little valley and not paying attention to anyone or anywhere else. Doesn't always work, but it's sort of calming at times.
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He needs to change his name, his pricing on powder/primers is crazy. I like buying from him but he’s no longer think he’s the best deal around.
