Production Optics Div ???

[LeadMonkey]

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[Freedom Ventures]

I call bull crap... Eric runs it because he's sponsored and can replace the broken RTS2 every match... seeing as you have so much faith in this product for this purpose, does this mean you will personally warranty repair or replacement of the slide mounted RTS2 for life when it breaks?

All I was saying is that Eric has no reason to shoot PO and if he has decided to do it, you can damn well be sure that whatever equipment he hits the range in public with works and he's tested the hell out of it.
There's a reputation there that he must maintain. If it doesn't work, he works with his sponsor until it does work before he takes it to the field. He's extremely active with his sponsors in feedback for success and no one is more successful than Eric.

I can't personally offer that warranty you ask for on C-More RTS2s, but C-More has been very good about any warranty fixes, so you should not have to sweat it if you actually buy one.
Place your order today (without hiding behind the alias and not behind the "Off the radar" location…) and I'll make sure you're noted to be taken good care of!

 

[snipersyn]

I just installed mine today...
To be honest I’m not all pumped up about it, to call it loose and sloppy would be a complement.
I used several shims but the screws they provide are on the short side due to the slop, the screws they provide for mounting the optic are FH’s not PH’s as well (I have a Vortex Venom, the Burris might need these screws?).
Not much of the mount is actually grabbing the rear dovetail so time will tell if it holds up.
Hopefully the division is popular so better options become available.

I agree. I installed the mount this past Friday and the tolerance is overwhelming - it's not even in spec. I used a single layer from a pop can to shim the dovetail as well. The mount is tight now, but I'm curious if this will even hold up.

The mount was installed on a SP-01 Shadow 1.

 

[Freedom Ventures]

FWIW, Henning Walgren is working on mounts for various scopes and guns; his first products will be for the Shadows and Tanfoglios - if you follow him on Instagram and / or Facebook - you can see him testing them and tweaking the design. As an ex-pro he should know how to wring out the things. As soon as he thinks they're ready - I'll be bringing them in. Might be another option.

 

[bsand]

I agree. I installed the mount this past Friday and the tolerance is overwhelming - it's not even in spec. I used a single layer from a pop can to shim the dovetail as well. The mount is tight now, but I'm curious if this will even hold up.

The mount was installed on a SP-01 Shadow 1.

I used two pop can shims, as held up for THOUSANDS of rounds, with 23+1 mags too... 200 round matches ftw. No zero shifting at all.

 

[snipersyn]

I used two pop can shims, as held up for THOUSANDS of rounds, with 23+1 mags too... 200 round matches ftw. No zero shifting at all.

Did you shim the entire dovetail or just the front or rear end? 2 layers is pretty thick - drifting would eventually tear the shims apart.

 

[bsand]

Did you shim the entire dovetail or just the front or rear end? 2 layers is pretty thick - drifting would eventually tear the shims apart.

Just the bottom. Zero shims front or back.

The Springer mount is not designed for interference fit. The two set screws provide tension against bottom of dovetail, which makes the mount under tension against the dovetail. Then the fore and aft plastic tipped screws completely lock it down.

Those plus green locktite has held up great.

 

[wasrupzuk]

What gun have you got it mounted on? Mine was overly tight for my New Edition 75B. Is it loose in the mount or the dovetail?

Bob

Shadow 1.
The mount is fine, the dovetail is a joke.

I agree. I installed the mount this past Friday and the tolerance is overwhelming - it's not even in spec. I used a single layer from a pop can to shim the dovetail as well. The mount is tight now, but I'm curious if this will even hold up.

The mount was installed on a SP-01 Shadow 1.

It’s nice to know I’m not alone in the boat...

FWIW, Henning Walgren is working on mounts for various scopes and guns; his first products will be for the Shadows and Tanfoglios - if you follow him on Instagram and / or Facebook - you can see him testing them and tweaking the design. As an ex-pro he should know how to wring out the things. As soon as he thinks they're ready - I'll be bringing them in. Might be another option.

I am sincerely hoping this will meet expectations, sooner than later.

I used two pop can shims, as held up for THOUSANDS of rounds, with 23+1 mags too... 200 round matches ftw. No zero shifting at all.

Hopefully I get similar results, time will tell but my confidence is not high.

Just the bottom. Zero shims front or back.

The Springer mount is not designed for interference fit. The two set screws provide tension against bottom of dovetail, which makes the mount under tension against the dovetail. Then the fore and aft plastic tipped screws completely lock it down.

Those plus green locktite has held up great.

I used blue locktite and I only had .005” shim stock.
I put one shim on the front dovetail but I think if I had .008” it would have worked better as it would lower it in the dovetail even more.
I also put 2 shims on the bottom but had room for maybe another 2+ thou.

 

[LeadMonkey]

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[Canuck44]

Why would anyone buy a $600 (unproven for slide mount) optic with no warranty when you can buy a vortex venom at half the cost with a lifetime no questions asked unconditional warranty?

The Vortex warranty is bullet proof from actual experience. My Sparc1 gave me a problem after five years of use. Vortex put a Sparc2 in the mail to me the day I phoned them and before I sent them the old unit. I just put a Viper on my CZ and will move it to my PPQ/M&P CORE in the spring.

Here in Canada warranty is everything. Vortex is one of the best to provide support.

Take Care

Bob

 

[rifleman338]

Will the Springer Precision mount that is used on the Shadow 1 work on the Shadow 2? If not then which one will?

 

[Freedom Ventures]

What does my alias or location have anything to do with the durability claims of a $600 optic that was not designed for slide mount?

And how do you know this?
Your real name and location would go a long way to showing that you might possibly know what you're talking about - right now - you're just another internet superhero with delusions of grandeur.

Look, I'm done playing with you - you've obviously got some irrational hard-on hate for me or C-more. No problem. Have a nice life!

 

[NickVR]

 

[Freedom Ventures]

For the folks following along.

...the durability claims of a $600 optic that was not designed for slide mount?

 

[snipersyn]

Just the bottom. Zero shims front or back.

The Springer mount is not designed for interference fit. The two set screws provide tension against bottom of dovetail, which makes the mount under tension against the dovetail. Then the fore and aft plastic tipped screws completely lock it down.

Those plus green locktite has held up great.

I re-installed the mount, this time with 2 shims instead, seems solid. I will need to fire a few hundred rounds to see if it holds up.

 

[red magnum]

Any one know who makes a good mount for a Glock and a deltapoint pro?

 

[MOBILE 1]

For the folks following along.

Come on Sean. How can you trust some one from the company that produces the product. When you have a guy on a Anonymous gun forum informing you of the fax.

 

[Canuck44]

Come on children the CMore sight is an excellent sight. Vortex makes the Razor sight in the same price range. If you are a high volume shooter spend the extra money on the CMore or Razor. If you are not or don't see the extra value buy the Viper/Venom or the Burris111. There is a guy on the Cast Bullet forum who is married to Burris and has three of them mounted on pistols he uses for pin and steel shoots along with a diet of USPSA. He swears buy them. If I had the need for a higher end red dot I would go with the Vortex Razor only because of my experience with the Vortex warranty service. I have no experience with CMore. If they are in the market with their reputation for quality I suspect they offer similar warranty work.

Take Care

Bob

 

[LeadMonkey]

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[bsand]

Wow, very unprofessional.

All I said was the RTS2 is not made for slide mounted optics... somehow you take that personally.

Sometimes I wonder how people with poor attitudes stay in business... I've bought stuff from you in the past and had nothing but good experiences... but calling bull crap on an unproven optic has nothing to do with you or your business and your comments reflect a very unprofessional attitude.

I have seen the RTS2 fail at several major matches throughout the USA, however I still run one myself on my open gun but there is no way in hell I would put that thing on a slide mount... it will fall apart in no time, it's not durable enough.

I have no doubt the Vortex optic will fail also but that's why I have 2 of them, the difference here is a lifetime unconditional warranty, something neither you nor C-more will offer because you both know better.

I agree, his actions on here, and various other threads is the reason why I will NEVER shop at his site.