Prohibited crossbow?!

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JERICHO;
" Marstar does have a track record for selling things that later turned out to be illegal (by however means)."

Would you mind showing me when and where we intentionally sold any item that turned out to be illegal ??
John
 
I beleive what he is talking about is the bd-38 being reclassified. Thats hardly fair to john though because at the time of sale it was classed "legal". How was he to know our overseers at the rcmp woud reclass it.

How about before you spout of you get some facts.

McLean
 
Mr.S said:
A5. Crossbows that can be aimed and fired with one hand and crossbows with an overall length of 500 mm or less are prohibited. You cannot lawfully possess or acquire a prohibited crossbow.
You do not need a valid licence or registration certificate to possess any other type of bow, including a crossbow that is longer than 500 mm and that requires the use of both hands. Criminal Code provisions making it an offence to acquire a crossbow without a valid licence were never brought into force.

from this page ht tp://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/index-eng.htm#a4a

I have one that is all legit and legal and can be aimed and fired with one hand,I can fire my sks with one hand so not sure what thats about..they probly meant something more along the size of a pistol..500mm is shortest allowed,shorter = prohibited..
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The most important part of the law is the "and". In "law speak" both must be in place for the law to apply. So techinically if you designed a crossbow less than 500mm and was impossible to fire with one hand it would be legal. All crossbows over 500mm are perfectly legal to be able to fire with one hand. But a crossbow that is less then 500mm and can be fired with one hand, you got problems.
 
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The most important part of the law is the "and". In "law speak" both must be in place for the law to apply. So techinically if you designed a crossbow less than 500mm and was impossible to fire with one hand it would be legal. All crossbows over 500mm are perfectly legal to be able to fire with one hand. But a crossbow that is less then 500mm and can be fired with one hand, you got problems.
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Ok that makes sense now. So pistol grip crossbows ARE legal in canada, if over 500mm. I understand now
 
MPI said:
The most important part of the law is the "and". In "law speak" both must be in place for the law to apply. So techinically if you designed a crossbow less than 500mm and was impossible to fire with one hand it would be legal. All crossbows over 500mm are perfectly legal to be able to fire with one hand. But a crossbow that is less then 500mm and can be fired with one hand, you got problems.
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Except the law as it is written says "or" not "and"

7. A crossbow or similar device that
(a) is designed or altered to be aimed and fired by the action of one hand, whether or not it has been redesigned or subsequently altered to be aimed and fired by the action of both hands; or
(b) has a length not exceeding 500 mm.
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Rusty Shackleford said:
Except the law as it is written says "or" not "and"
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Interesting, I should have disclaimed I was taking the wording from the post and did not look it up. The law still overs why it's ok to have crossbows longer then 500mm that can still be fired with one hand; "is designed" for one hand aiming and firing we have problem and are prohib. The crossbows are legal that can still be fired with one hand and are over 500mm but were "designed" to be fired with two hands.
 
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FireFalcon115 said:
Ok that makes sense now. So pistol grip crossbows ARE legal in canada, if over 500mm. I understand now
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Well yes still true, but as the law is actually written (see above posts), that is because they are over 500mm and "designed" to be fired with two hands. Where the law explicitly says the opposite is not legal, you can't take a crossbow "designed" to be fired with one hand and put something on it so it can be fired with two.

The original design intent (aim and fired with one hand or two hands) and overall length are the determining factors.

Of course I'm taking what rusty posted as the law, I again haven't looked it up - #### me why do I post anymore... :p

Rusty can you post a direct link so this thread is more useful for those who search on the subject in the future. Thanks.
 
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In regards to it being a one handed crossbow or not I believe the determining factor is probably going to be the butt stock. If you put a butt stock on it it is going to be pretty hard to say that it was “designed” to be fired with one hand as you would be assuming that butt stock was purposely there not to be used. And on the contrary a two handed cross bow with no butt stock is going to be a little odd. Think about it, sure it can be fired with one hand but that butt stock is there so it was designed to be shoulder fired, pretty hard to argue that.
 
CanadaAmmo sold those at one time. It's the cheap pellet gun version of crossbows. I bought two some time ago - they're great for kids and target shooting. it even comes with a spool, string and a few barbed bolts for fishing, but I don't know if that's legal.

It has a neat lever type mechanism to draw the string, but it puts a lot of stress on the stock - I know because one of the stocks broke off. Yeah, I know, eh! cou: If you buy one, try to put as much pressure on the grip to lessen the burden on the stock when drawing the cable back.
 
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MPI said:
Well yes still true, but as the law is actually written (see above posts), that is because they are over 500mm and "designed" to be fired with two hands. Where the law explicitly says the opposite is not legal, you can't take a crossbow "designed" to be fired with one hand and put something on it so it can be fired with two.

The original design intent (aim and fired with one hand or two hands) and overall length are the determining factors.

Of course I'm taking what rusty posted as the law, I again haven't looked it up - #### me why do I post anymore... :p

Rusty can you post a direct link so this thread is more useful for those who search on the subject in the future. Thanks.
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I think someone should contact the RCMP and get the law straight
 
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If you goto news and look at the picture of the bancroft arms stash bust, you can see one of these crossbows
In the left of the picture (not saying they are illegal) just found that interesting
 
CROSSBOWS;
I can't believe this is still ongoing.... Yes they are legal, yes they have been reviewed by the authorities, yes they approved them....

JERICHO, thank you for your positive input, of course anything can be reclassified, but why live with such a negative outlook ?

John
 
transam_218 said:
I don't know anything about crossbows, but for 45 dollars can I shoot anything with this?
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It has about 30 lbs draw weight, but I would not try taking out anything bigger than a Raccoon or a Cat with it.
I keep mine next to my gun cabinet and so far everybody who has seen it has been more interested in it than in my guns. .............and I have some interesting guns
 
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homslice said:
It has about 30 lbs draw weight, but I would not try taking out anything bigger than a Raccoon or a Cat with it.
I keep mine next to my gun cabinet and so far everybody who has seen it has been more interested in it than in my guns. .............and I have some interesting guns
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one more reason they don't like these things
 
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