Proud New Owner of My first SAN Rifle, what do I need to know?

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Steve Janes

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I just picked up a Black special, nice and clean no brass scar, I plan on protecting the brass deflector, I'm just wondering if there is anything about these rifles that I don't already know that may help me out. it's a 1in10'' twist, and is basically new

also where is the cheapest place to get quality mags?
Are OEM mags the same as factory mags?
Is anyone interested in trading there green furniture for black?

Any helpful pieces of info or just cool stuff to know about the reliability and performance of the platform would be greatly appreciated, pics and stuff of groupings or anything like that...

thanks
The proud new owner of a Swiss Arms Black Special
Steve
 
My biggest complaint is point of impact shift when using the bipod. If you are shooting for precision, cradle the gun in the same way every time as near as the receiver as you can. I ditched the bipod.

Dominion arms mags are alright and much cheaper than the SAN mags. Or you can wait and buy an NEA lower that lets you take AR mags (including 10 rounders). This is great if you already own a pile of AR mags.

And yes, they kick ass in the cold. If it gums up, you can open up the adverse gas setting, too.
 
POI Shift

My biggest complaint is point of impact shift when using the bipod. QUOTE

I mostly run and gun, this will actually be used as a service rifle for me. so that shouldn't matter, but explain to me anyway. When using the bipod things change a lot? I would rarely if ever use it, but I am curious, will the iron's be zeroed off the bi-pod, and if so will the poi shift when not using it??
 
People report varying POI changesd. Mine is POI up about 3in when I use the bipod. If i shoot prone or bench, i'll rest it on the mag.
 
Steve Janes said:
My biggest complaint is point of impact shift when using the bipod. QUOTE

I mostly run and gun, this will actually be used as a service rifle for me. so that shouldn't matter, but explain to me anyway. When using the bipod things change a lot? I would rarely if ever use it, but I am curious, will the iron's be zeroed off the bi-pod, and if so will the poi shift when not using it??
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Yes, the POI will shift when not shooting off the bipod. You should use a 30/5 round mag, then rest the rifle on the mag when zeroing the gun.
 
Accuracy

Okay, so people say these are the most accurate semi-auto out there, so what up with the POI shift.

I doubt I will often use the bipod, in fact I will probably take it off the rifle, but let's just say I zero everything off a rest and then take it out to the bush to shoot, am I going to notice a difference? Or if I don't use the bi pod will the problem pretty much go away or what?

How do people consistently get 1.25MOA out of these things if the POI is always changing, what are these guys shooting off of, a bag, or a bi pod, or a magazine?

Would this mean that if I zeroed off the bi pod that when not using it everything would hit low???? or if zeroed off a bag then everything will hit off when using it? How stupid is that, whats the point in even having it on there then?

I just think that if it's on there in the Swiss Military it must have a functional purpose and from what you guys are talking about on here it totally sux and shouldn't even be there.
 
I was going to say if it consistently shifts to the same point with the bipod extended it might be handy for when you have to do longer range shots, but then I remembered that the classic green has the turret rear sight post lol.
 
I get an 8" POI shift up at 100 yards when shooting off the bipod. I zeroed the rifle supported from the magazine so it hits good when not using the bipod. I only use the bipod for long shots of 300 yards plus, and the up shift actually is a benefit then. I have many rounds through my Black Special and the POI shift didnt take root until about the 4000 round mark. My upper to lower is now really loose, but very smooth operation. This is a GREAT rifle and you will learn to shot it well no matter if it shifts POI or not. Keep in mind this is a service rifle and was never designed to shoot tight groups or snipe from a roof top at 500 yards.
 
Don't get wrapped around the axle about the POI shift. There are a lot of factors that come into play, such as how much downward pressure you are exerting on your bipod. This shift will happen with every non-free floated rifle as you change holds and fire positions. It's just a fact of life. If ever there is a free floated rail system for the rifle, you won't have to worry about it anymore. ;)
 
Steve Janes said:
Are they as reliable as people say, I mean I know there accurate as hell for a service rifle but do they really work when it's that cold out?
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At -30c I had light strike, failing to ignite commercial ammo. Degreasing (removing the oil) my hammer spring and firing-pin solved the problem.
 
Steve Janes said:
My biggest complaint is point of impact shift when using the bipod. QUOTE

I mostly run and gun, this will actually be used as a service rifle for me. so that shouldn't matter, but explain to me anyway. When using the bipod things change a lot? I would rarely if ever use it, but I am curious, will the iron's be zeroed off the bi-pod, and if so will the poi shift when not using it??
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I'm curious to know what type of work you do that would constitute the use of a Swiss arms as a service rifle..
 
pbr streetgang said:
I'm curious to know what type of work you do that would constitute the use of a Swiss arms as a service rifle..
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I use it hard that's all, a lot of truck and bush work, service rifle (kinda, run'n gun) I take it camping and strap it to my pack sometimes, it lightly dings against rocks and debris as I am climbing a steep trail, or as has happened falling down a steep trail :)

5000 rounds out of the black special last year anyway.
 
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