Proud New Owner of My first SAN Rifle, what do I need to know?

[winnipegger]

apparently you are not supposed to shoulder it when you fire the grenade. Either put the butt into the ground or pinch it under your arm ala scarface

Steve james are you sure? I know for the STGW 57 there was a special grenade launching cartridge and magazine

7.5 mm Swiss Ammunition

The Swiss themselves call these cartridges "Modell 11 ", and six specials exist alongside the standard rifle round.

1 . Tracer with a 765 yard trail. Colour code: case head, red.
2. Light armour piercer, steel cored. Colour code: case head, violet.
3. Light armour piercer / tracer. Colour code: case head, red primer, violet.
4. Proof-house load. Colour code: case head, black case, coppered.
5. Grenade cartridge 44. For launching grenade 58.
6. Blank load. Used on manoeuvres. Plastic cased.



Magazine (illustration 23)

This (16) is made of sheet metal and is designed for 24 cartridges. The inspection holes in the sideplate allows cartridges to be counted. Loading is accomplished without a filler. A white magazine charged with six type-44 cartridges (Fig. 23) is used when launching grenades. Normal live rounds cannot be loaded into these white magazines. A slide on the magazine and a groove in the boltbody (20) prevent grenade cartridges being chambered automatically.

 

[Steve Janes]

apparently you are not supposed to shoulder it when you fire the grenade. Either put the butt into the ground or pinch it under your arm ala scarface

Steve james are you sure? I know for the STGW 57 there was a special grenade launching cartridge and magazine

7.5 mm Swiss Ammunition

The Swiss themselves call these cartridges "Modell 11 ", and six specials exist alongside the standard rifle round.

1 . Tracer with a 765 yard trail. Colour code: case head, red.
2. Light armour piercer, steel cored. Colour code: case head, violet.
3. Light armour piercer / tracer. Colour code: case head, red primer, violet.
4. Proof-house load. Colour code: case head, black case, coppered.
5. Grenade cartridge 44. For launching grenade 58.
6. Blank load. Used on manoeuvres. Plastic cased.



Magazine (illustration 23)

This (16) is made of sheet metal and is designed for 24 cartridges. The inspection holes in the sideplate allows cartridges to be counted. Loading is accomplished without a filler. A white magazine charged with six type-44 cartridges (Fig. 23) is used when launching grenades. Normal live rounds cannot be loaded into these white magazines. A slide on the magazine and a groove in the boltbody (20) prevent grenade cartridges being chambered automatically.

I am pretty sure!!!

Direct From Manual


3.12. Rifle Grenades (Bullet trap type)
3.12.1. General
The rifle grenades are intended to be launched in flat trajectory.
Standard, live ammunition is used for launching,
whereby the weapon cycles automatically. (The bullet is
caught in the bullet trap integrated in the grenade)
3.12.2. Handling
Acting on orders, or his own initiative in situations of
danger, the trooper prepares his weaon for grenade
launching.
Loading procedure:
• Load model SG 550 rifle with standard,
hardball ammunition
• Place safety lever of model SG 550 on “S“.
• Mount rifle grenade: it must be possible to twist on the
grenade up to the stop without encountering significant
resistance.
3.12.3. Aiming
At a range of 75 m, aim over the upper edge of the rifle
grenade and the upper rim of the foresight tunnel. At longer
ranges, cover the target with the body of the grenade.
Consequently, first obtain the height of the target by
approaching it from the side. Then move the rifle sideways,
without changing the inclination of the barrel, until the
target is covered.
Range 75 m: Point of aim = average point of impact
Launching positions: The grenade launching can be done
from the standing, kneeling and prone positions. The rifle
butt should be held as tightly as possible under the armpit
of the firing arm; the other hand grasps the handguard
firmly. The safety lever is on position “1”. Firing from the
shoulder is also possible. However, the trooper must take
cover before the grenade detonates upon impact.

 

[winnipegger]

Hey fair enough man. I guess there must be a few different grenade types. it would fun just to have an inert one I could launch around.... Hahha

 

[Steve Janes]

Hey fair enough man. I guess there must be a few different grenade types. it would fun just to have an inert one I could launch around.... Hahha

ya wish we could get them, but what for, just fun I guess! We'll never in our wildest dreams get to have a rifle grenade in canada

 

[gladius 2]

Rifle grenades

Not difficult to get as you can buy inert ones at gun shows and some surplus dealers, mainly U.S. ones available but they should be able to fit a Swiss flash eliminator as they are the common 23mm Nato diameter, there have been some on the EE exchange in the past year. Some of the inert surplus ones you can get are the M31(66MM)AP type grenade, M11A4 (M1 Garand rifle grenade) Also the adapter M1A2 that can fit the US WW2 pineapple grenade and the M-63(lemon) and M-67(baseball) grenades. Fairly common, I have bought mine at gun shows. They look impressive and once in awhile you can even find the original ballisite 7.62MM and 30.06 and 8MM launching cartidge for them at shows. As for 5.56 MM launching cartridges I have not seen any. They look interesting when displayed with your toys always an attention getter, don't be firing them at your local range though. g2.

 

[canadianshooter]

My understanding from my father who served in the Swiss Army was special cartridges for the 57 to launch grenades but the new grenades are done with live rounds (don't try it without asking someone who knows for sure!).

 

[Steve Janes]

but the new grenades are done with live rounds (don't try it without asking someone who knows for sure!).

Perhaps you didn't see my previous post(#62) like 4 posts up???


"3.12. Rifle Grenades (Bullet trap type)"
"(The bullet is caught in the bullet trap integrated in the grenade)"

I quoted this directly from the manual man, if anyone knows different please chime in and let me know cause if I ever get my hands on one, off it goes using a LIVE ROUND.

 

[canadianshooter]

Did see your post. Good job sourcing the original information. However not sure how good people are at telling the difference between a Stg57 grenade and an Stg90 grenade (the difference to the person firing it with a live round being significant). Tell me how it goes if you find some.

 

[Steve Janes]

I would have to be 110% sure it was for sure an STG90 Grenade b4 I ever used a live round, but if it was a legitimate one I would shoot it with live ammo

 

[Recce21]

Hey, I'm also a brand new owner of a SAN Black Special Target and I was wondering what the heck the round circular piece is for that is where the bayonet lug would be?????

Also, does anyone have optics mounted on their rifle and have any suggestions? I am leaning towards a Trijicon 1-4 power but wouldn't mind reaching out a little further with 62 gr rounds so maybe a 10 power is better? Thoughts?

Also, looking for some 5/20 mags...just throwing that out there.

 

[datatools]

Hey, I'm also a brand new owner of a SAN Black Special Target and I was wondering what the heck the round circular piece is for that is where the bayonet lug would be?????

Also, does anyone have optics mounted on their rifle and have any suggestions? I am leaning towards a Trijicon 1-4 power but wouldn't mind reaching out a little further with 62 gr rounds so maybe a 10 power is better? Thoughts?

Also, looking for some 5/20 mags...just throwing that out there.

Variable power 2.5x10 would be a good choice for your scope. Mags can be purchased from TSE or Wolverine.

 

[Roughneck12]

I put a B&T handguard on my Classic Green and near as I can figure the barrel is free floated now. The bottom and largest handguard is attached to the bayonet lig and front take down pin.

Looks and feels kick azz but is heavy as heck.

 

[retepnosflow]

I put a B&T handguard on my Classic Green and near as I can figure the barrel is free floated now. The bottom and largest handguard is attached to the bayonet lig and front take down pin.

Looks and feels kick azz but is heavy as heck.

Yah my CQB is Quite heavy with the shorter Quad rail. it makes a significant difference!

 

[Bullwhip]

Hey, I'm also a brand new owner of a SAN Black Special Target and I was wondering what the heck the round circular piece is for that is where the bayonet lug would be?????

It holds the lug, which is pinned into it. You can order the lug, if you desire.

Stg57 bayos fit it as well as the modern Stg90 ones and are quite a bit cheaper. That is unless you are hung up on having the current issue. Pointy is as pointy does in my book, and the Stg57 bayonets are nicely made. But then, realisitically, the only thing I'll ever be fixing bayonets for is ####s and giggles. Gophers don't tend to rush the trenches, lol.

 

[Recce21]

It holds the lug, which is pinned into it. You can order the lug, if you desire.

Stg57 bayos fit it as well as the modern Stg90 ones and are quite a bit cheaper. That is unless you are hung up on having the current issue. Pointy is as pointy does in my book, and the Stg57 bayonets are nicely made. But then, realisitically, the only thing I'll ever be fixing bayonets for is s**ts and giggles. Gophers don't tend to rush the trenches, lol.

Thanks for the info! Any idea where I can order the lug and what I need to install it?

 

[Bullwhip]

I'd try TSE or Wolverine, they should have or can order for you. P&D might.

Its held in with a roll pin which you can see in the pic (and I'm assuming which comes with the lug), so a small hammer and ideally a roll pin punch?

I'm no Swiss guru. I just got mine too. Am sure someone else here might chime in.

 

[Roughneck12]

Your rifle has a bayo lug already. I had to take mine off for the new hand guards.

 

[Recce21]

Your rifle has a bayo lug already. I had to take mine off for the new hand guards.

Pretty sure it doesn't. I bought it new from P&D and there was no bayo stud on the rifle or in the case.

 

[Steve Janes]

Pretty sure it doesn't. I bought it new from P&D and there was no bayo stud on the rifle or in the case.

Pretty sure your wrong, but everyone makes mistakes myself included, so let's put it to rest and let's see some pics of your rifle, it really should have come with it attached

 

[Roughneck12]

Recce, the lug is on the blue rifle that is in the pictures posted above. Steve, yours has one also. Its that little piece of metal that is under the gas block.