RA Release XCR-M Will Be @ Shot Show 2011
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i have many firearms from the turn of the century that have never required a screw turned or locktite applied... it was called engineering, the only thing Alex can engineer is the garbage room door and a couple of prostitutes to help him.
(incorrectly or not?...Who T F puts loctite on incorrectly?) There are chimpanzees that could be trained to put on locktite),
Guys like you and armedsask seem to have a disproportionate hate on for the XCR. I love my Glocks and AR's but what kind of shooting do you guys do anyway that makes having to loctite a screw such a big deal? Do you compete with the rifles you like best?
Have you ever tried basic drills like an "el presidente" with both an AR and XCR to check your times and hits? ISTM, if you can get better preformance with the XCR its just a matter of knowing your individual gun is reliable after that.
If it is reliable and can preform better is good enough for me.
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I heard they'll dangle you off the balcony by your ankles like Suge Knight did to Vanilla Ice.
Scary stuff!
can't say I've ever run el prez with an xcr...thankfully i know enough about shooting to know that that for me the differences would be very small (although with the extra weight and reciprocating mass of the xcr I would expect it to be marginally slower).
I don't really hate the xcr...I think it is a pretty acceptable sporting rifle.
What I hate is the mindless, uncritical cult following it has among a very small group of shooters who inexplicably consider it superior to a rifle which is more battle proven than any rifle in history with the POSSIBLE exception of the AK series, particularly if you accept all the AKs as one rifle, although, of course, they aren't.
The xcr is okay. But that's all it is. It is less reliable that a good AR, and by all accounts less accurate on average, and obviously less durable. It's what you buy if you want a non-restricted black rifle, and you can't afford a swiss arms, and can't find a AR180b.
I wish it were something more than what it is, but it isn't.
Whadya mean "like" Suge Knight?
I heard Suge would be there as part of Alex's latest initiatives; a trio of puzzling maneuvers to 'fine tune' customer relations. Each one more outlandish and puzzling than the last. God knows what the third iteration will be.
If you liked Alex's blunt responses, you're gonna absolutely love Suge.
Umm did you know that there are in fact instructions for loctite?
Clean threads is essential to the loctite functioning correctly, if there is oil or other contamination the loctite will not cure properly and will not do its job. There is also the ability to use additives to increase the thread locking of the loctite. It is also important to ensure that you are using the correct loctite for the job, as there is a number of different options available.
There are few turn of the century firearms that are auto loaders. The loosening of screws isn't a problem with manual repeating firearms, because the action doesn't move during discharge. Then the user operates the action, at a much slower speed than an autoloader.
I certainly wouldn't disagree with you!
If all you guys on the both side of this argument would spend half the energy spent on these threads on working against gun control, we would be hunting AR in this country by now
Most sensible post so far.
Back to the original topic (anyone remember what that was?)
I've been wondering why RA has not been to SHOT since 2006. I saw them there at my first time down, then havent seen them since. Maybe I'll visit them at their room.
If all you guys on the both side of this argument would spend half the energy spent on these threads on working against gun control, we would be hunting AR in this country by now...
They learned from the past. It's no longer a flaw now it's a feature. The XCR M will have all the screws painted in hunter florescent orange. This way you can always find your way back after a long day of hunting by simply following the parts like bread crumbs!!
Also you no longer need to cringe when vacuming the gun room floor. Rest assured you'll now see the parts instead of listening for the metalic sound going up the vacuum tube.
I'm just joking around here. I'm not an XCR owner and have don't have an actual experience shooting with one. I just couldn't resist...
I hope the .308 they turn out is a good rifle. I look forward to seeing it.
If you said you had a 6.8spc I would have said do not spend a penny more just use it for all of your hunting but that you are using a 7.62X39 now I would definately recommend a 223 upper but if you can accurately place your shots with appropriate bullets there is no reason you can't use your 7.62X39 out to 200 - 300 yards you just need to know your tragectories.
I'm now impatiently waiting for the release of the -M if it meets my needs for what I am looking for in a semi-auto hunting rifle I now plan on buying one as soon as I sell my Rem 700 LSS in 30-06 and I've now decided that if I go for the -M I will be selling my -L OD green upper in 223.
Being a hunter first I have now come to realize that my upper in 6.8 SPC can do everything that the 223 or the 7.62X39 can do and everything they can't do so I don't need the 223 and I want either a 260 Rem or 338 Fed -M but would settle on the 308 if that is the only chambering that RA releases.
Plus I'll have to scopes left over from selling the rifle & upper so will not have to buy another scope for the -M...
You (we?) might have to wait one more year before the XCR-M is available in .338fed in green. Meanwhile they'll correct initial problems that might apppears.
This is worth keeping going, made my morning.
What's wrong with a customer service department that hangs up on you when you act like a spoiled brat? Call and start yelling and swearing and you deserve to be hung up on. Grow up kids. It's not their fault you dont check the tightness of the fasteners and follow the instructions provided with the rifle.
If they are crap why can't any stores keep them in stock? They all sell out within a day or two of a new shipment.
I don't know if I will get a XCR-M or an RFB or something else to replace my M-14 but i'm sure not ruling it out just because a buch of whiners on here don't like it.
I have 3 friends with the XCR-L and they are all happy with the rifle, It's reliable, shoots well, and is non-restricted. The price may be a little high but compared to what? Your hunting rifle? Don't compare it to an AR because it's not an AR, you can take this one out in the bush and not get arrested. Can you change calibers on an AR in 5 min for $700? Nope. Price is right in line with the HK SL8 which I had and I had to send it back for a new lower twice in less than a thousand rounds because the plastic cracked, it's cheaper than a Balck special. If you can't afford it buy something else.
Robinson makes good reliable rifles that perform well and come with some very nice features. They don't need to be upgraded and don't need any aftermarket parts to make them functional. Just use the supplied sights or throw on your favorite optics and grab a handfull of AR mags and go for a walk in the bush or out in the fields and start shooting. Basic gun maintenance and care should take care of any loose parts before you have problems.
Thank you Alex for providing Canada with a quality nonrestricted rifle, Only improvement I would like to see is an increase in production numbers so we don't have to pre-order or be lucky enough to be in the store the day they arrive in order to handle one prior to purchase.
If they are crap why can't any stores keep them in stock? They all sell out within a day or two of a new shipment.
I don't know if I will get a XCR-M or an RFB or something else to replace my M-14 but i'm sure not ruling it out just because a buch of whiners on here don't like it.
I have 3 friends with the XCR-L and they are all happy with the rifle, It's reliable, shoots well, and is non-restricted. The price may be a little high but compared to what? Your hunting rifle? Don't compare it to an AR because it's not an AR, you can take this one out in the bush and not get arrested. Can you change calibers on an AR in 5 min for $700? Nope. Price is right in line with the HK SL8 which I had and I had to send it back for a new lower twice in less than a thousand rounds because the plastic cracked, it's cheaper than a Balck special. If you can't afford it buy something else.
Robinson makes good reliable rifles that perform well and come with some very nice features. They don't need to be upgraded and don't need any aftermarket parts to make them functional. Just use the supplied sights or throw on your favorite optics and grab a handfull of AR mags and go for a walk in the bush or out in the fields and start shooting. Basic gun maintenance and care should take care of any loose parts before you have problems.
Thank you Alex for providing Canada with a quality nonrestricted rifle, Only improvement I would like to see is an increase in production numbers so we don't have to pre-order or be lucky enough to be in the store the day they arrive in order to handle one prior to purchase.
