Rank the AR Manufacturer
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Man, many other companies including Colt have parts made in other machine shops. In fact, I would guess that more companies internals come from other sources then in house. And, Noveskes parts cut at other machine shops are his designs from his CAD drawings. So, they are his parts and his designs. Another shop just cuts them for him. Plus, he picks the best of the best to do his work. I bet you would be suprised to know how many comanies do this. They just dont advertise it because of guys like you. John is a manufacterer not an assembler. Designing the parts makes them his not who cuts them. Just about anyone can cut parts with some knowledge of the machines but, not everyone can cut them to the same level of quality. That is why John thoroughly screens a number of machine shops and picks the one with the best machine work. It is a good idea imo and better then having a bunch of average guys working in house on average machines. That is why Noveskes have such a great rep for "maufacturing" some of the best AR's on the market. Hell, his barrels are almost legendary from what I hear. Not my opinion. Read around.
Look, I'm not going to slag Noveske. Despite others' claims that I do that, you won't be able to quote anything I wrote saying they are bad rifles or that they are somehow not deserving of a good reputation for performance. That's because I have never made those remarks.
I may be wrong about the post-purchase treatment they do on barrels and if so, I am man enough to admit fault.
As for Noveske specifying everything he uses - that is just not true. He does that for his barrel blanks and a few other parts, but his uppers are re-badged VLTORs and not a case of JN dropping G-code off at a local jobbed with a six axis. His LPK's are standard parts in most cases - not anything he has specified. Same is true of many other parts. I also don't claim this is a bad practise, but Noveske arguably is the only maker considered "Tier 1" to outsource on this scale. A purist might consider that makers with more production processes kept in-house is more likely to produce a consistent product, and yes, I know, Noveske does a lot of inspection to ensure that bad stuff rarely leaves their facility.
No, I would not be surprised what the industry standard is wrt outsourcing - you're dead wrong about that. I assure you I have as good an understanding of it as anyone as designing and manufacturing parts to specification is what I do for money in the real world, and I'm very good at it.
I wonder how many of the people telling me I am out to lunch work in the production & manufacturing industry? I don't base my opinions about this stuff from reading someone else's opinion on M4C or arfcom. 'nuff said.
PS: the very great majority of US-made LPK parts are made by CMT. Many more are actually made offshore in places like Taiwan. If a US AR maker isn't advertising "100% made in the USA", then rest assured it isn't.
Some exceptions...
Colt.
FN.
LMT.
KAC.
DPMS (I know! seems odd!)
So, my guess was right then?
As I said too, I think using the best machine shop to do the machining is a great idea. We all know quality comes from both quality machines/tooling as well as skilled and experienced operators used to the particular tooling/machine. Trying to buy the best machines, then find skilled workers, then give them the time to get used to the machines takes a lot of time and money. Why bother when you can just research the best shop, design your own parts, and have them cut them for you. Its more efficient and should produce better parts imo with almost no learning curve and little overhead. Pretty smart if you ask me.
Well, U.S Government owned property in a foreign nations is considered U.S Property.
So if someone set-up shop there and made, lets say Vests and Molle Gear or even AR parts. They would be considered 'Made in the U.S.A'
Even though it is a sweat shop in Honduras or a foundry in Taiwan or a Plastics company pumping out Magpul in south Asia.
Apparently they never did according to some people on M4carbine.net, I know they supplied "Blackwater" way back for a bit and on there outset they had a contract during the first gulf war. Not sure if there Bushmaster were ever used though....
Huh? That does not match my understanding of US trade law. Made in the USA means it has to be a given percentage made on US soil.
But that is it, U.S Government property IS U.S Soil. Old Airbases for example, training grounds. The U.S has Thousands of Hectares of land in countries all across the globe it considers 'U.S Soil'
Alot (some) of Eagle Industries gear is made south of Mexico.....on U.S Soil.
A U.S based company leases the land and produces their product on 'U.S Soil'
OK well I guess I imagined that eh?
Have a good evening.
You too.
I see what you're saying, but honestly, I don't know if AR parts manufacturing falls into that scenario...?
Is that the one with the German dude in the wetsuit shooting that Colt with the gas tube full of water?
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