RCMP C8 Clone Build

I think this looks awesome, but agree with others on the vertical grip.
Does anyone have the specs of everything in the photo or a parts list?
I would like to build one of these next!

Just google RCMP C8 the complete specs are Online.

The Tango is not used as a vertical grip but as a reference point. We give them #### if they use it as a vertical grip.


I used to be very anti foregrip. But after the course ( I had the original gun fighter version) I changed my mind. As a hand stop I found it worked very well. Almost all of my personal cqb style firearms have them now. The stance is awkward but I couldn’t argue with the speed and accuracy. The foregrip as a hand stop made the control very precise, especially at speed. With this setup double taps were practically touching. Great carbine to shoot and the best course I’ve had.

Anyways here's my clone:

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I realize that. Just saying it does not make sense to put an accessory on there specifically designed to grab into in a position that make it easy to grab onto and then tell people not to grab onto it. I routinely see fingers creeping down onto it. Then you have people coming in for recerts that have been practicing using a full grip on it...:bangHead:
Its presence and location can make it difficult for some new users to get a proper C clamp.

What ever happened to using a sling to support your weak hand grip on a normal fore-stock, unadorned by un-needed weighty tango grips and other Gucci do-dads. Practise brings your hand t the right place, not a physical piece of gear.

A proper sling-supported stance is rock-steady and I have way better luck with it than the vickers stance that's so vogue to teach "operators" these days.
 
What ever happened to using a sling to support your weak hand grip on a normal fore-stock, unadorned by un-needed weighty tango grips and other Gucci do-dads. Practise brings your hand t the right place, not a physical piece of gear.

A proper sling-supported stance is rock-steady and I have way better luck with it than the vickers stance that's so vogue to teach "operators" these days.

Because wrapping your arm around a sling is probably not the best thing to do when you need to transition to a pistol or go hands on.
 
Because wrapping your arm around a sling is probably not the best thing to do when you need to transition to a pistol or go hands on.

I can remember one house clearing very fondly. Started at the front door C8 calling people out, then to pistol, then to C8, then to pistol, to cuffing, to pistol, to cuffing, to C8 within a couple minutes. It's not always like that, but in that case it was. Typically you'll go from C8 to handcuffing if things work out as they should. Or you do like I did and eventually step in a snow covered hole in the ground, and plant 5 inches of snow and dirt up the end of the barrel.
No time to get my arm in or out of a sling. A lot of walking and running, and moving in general with the C8, at least in most situations I've had it out for.

Using a sling for support has it's place. On the 100 meter .308 course of fire for instance. Otherwise trying to be old fashioned and do it like grandpa did in the great war is seriously asking for trouble. I couldn't give two poops about looking 'operator'. Also I shoot the C8 lefty, pistol right. Tying up my right arm in a sling is an extra bad idea there, I'd never be able to transition to my pistol, not to mention movement, reloading, clearing stoppages.

Great for hunting, great for target shooting, great for a "fudd" to hold their nose high in the air about, but not great for much else.
 
If you are tying your arm up in a 2 point sling, you are doing it wrong.

I can kinda get close-in weapons techniques for room clearing in the CAF, but in the RCMP?

Well... Maybe the ERT guys. But most guys are not in breacher parties.

Ps: I do train the Vickers grip, and I don't use it past 25 yds or so... But I don't need a vfg to hold the rifle properly, even in Vickers. The CAF doesn't seem to need a tango down to teach a proper close-in hold.
 
If you are tying your arm up in a 2 point sling, you are doing it wrong.

I can kinda get close-in weapons techniques for room clearing in the CAF, but in the RCMP?

Well... Maybe the ERT guys. But most guys are not in breacher parties.

Ps: I do train the Vickers grip, and I don't use it past 25 yds or so... But I don't need a vfg to hold the rifle properly, even in Vickers. The CAF doesn't seem to need a tango down to teach a proper close-in hold.

So you have a bad guy in a room killing people. What do you expect the police to do? Ask him to stop and come outside? Because room clearing is only for the CF.

Wtf is a vickers grip?

CF issues the ####ty folding vert grip. Also what is this "proper close-in hold" you speak of?


And most of the time when I see guys from the hill or CSOR they are running vfg or afg's.
 
- A wedge shaped index point was also approved but the tango down is what is always fitted by the armourers.
- Colt initially fitted the barrel mounted, folding front sight on the integrated uppers but later switched to one mounted on the upper rail. RCMP carbines are all of the earlier style to my knowledge and the rail mounting may interfere with the light mount anyways.
- The first style extended charging handles are being switched out for a stronger (BMC?) one but it has sharp edges. Most prefer the first style but they occasionally fail as the pin used was not a roll pin and they sometimes broke under hard use.
- the IUR carbines are heavy but shoot awesome. Adrenaline lightens things up quick! Colt Canada really builds a great gun.
- Replacement Mags are generally US made ones that are grey vs the original, Canadian black ones.
- Anti tip mag followers in the Mags.
- Triggers are awesome.
- 15.7” barrel was chosen to provide the desired velocity to specified distance with the preferred load. Trying to achieve an acceptable min/max penetration and fragmentation for effectiveness. Lots of bullet and load testing was done. Don’t get in front of one!
- ERT is switching to .300 blackout.
 
So you have a bad guy in a room killing people. What do you expect the police to do? Ask him to stop and come outside? Because room clearing is only for the CF.

Wtf is a vickers grip?

CF issues the ####ty folding vert grip. Also what is this "proper close-in hold" you speak of?


And most of the time when I see guys from the hill or CSOR they are running vfg or afg's.

Vickers is generally thought to have popularized the current style of gripping the rifle with hte weak hand like you are pointing at something. Here he is doing his thing, admitedly with a vfg in this case.

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The CF teaches it more like this - no VFG. This is a pic of Jason Falla - Australian SAS.

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And I don't personally know any mounties (ERT excepted) "clearing rooms" with patrol carbines. Maybe you do.

CSOR and JTF are outsode the normal supply chain - they have their own go-fast credit cards and are renown for buying gucci gear, then tossing it for the new flavor. They change their setups A LOT.

When I say close in hold, I mean that for close-in weapons fighting, like room clearing, you hold the rifle different than when shooting at, say, 100m. CAF infantry are currently taught to not even to use sights at close range - just grip out by the triad, and instinctively point shoot as fast as possible, aiming for the main body mass. It's smart. But again, regular patrol RCMP are generally not engaging in this role. Not that I hear of much, anyhow.
 
I can kinda get close-in weapons techniques for room clearing in the CAF, but in the RCMP?
Well... Maybe the ERT guys. But most guys are not in breacher parties.

I'm not talking about 'breacher parties' I'm talking about every day stuff. Not high speed hostage rescue, flashbang and storm the bad guys stuff. The only time I've put the sling in a 2 point was on a longer hike through the bush, otherwise it's in the way. Single point is just way more convenient when you're expected to do other things besides just carry a gun, or popping deer off hand at 100 yards. For how we're trained, and how I've had to use it, any traditional sling carry wouldn't cut it.

- The first style extended charging handles are being switched out for a stronger (BMC?) one but it has sharp edges. Most prefer the first style but they occasionally fail as the pin used was not a roll pin and they sometimes broke under hard use.

- Replacement Mags are generally US made ones that are grey vs the original, Canadian black ones.

As someone who shoots lefty I'm not super happy with the new BCM ones. Seems they opted for the small or possibly medium latch. We have some older ones and newer ones, I always take the same rifle with me, with the badger latch. I like it better for lefty.
And the grey mags suck, not a fan of those either.

And I don't personally know any mounties (ERT excepted) "clearing rooms" with patrol carbines. Maybe you do.

All the time. But like I said, not high speed ERT stuff, just day to day clearing of houses and basements etc. Done it dozens of times, will continue to do so until I transfer to a sleepy spot. ERT is 6 hours away driving time, more like 10-12 hours away once they're assembled and get the whole unit rolling. They don't come out for most things understandably, and the lower risk stuff we're often left with ourselves. I'm no super hero or wannabe, I won't run and gun into a room where we *know* someone has a firearm, but when it's a routine clearing of a house, or search warrant, you just deal with it.

I still want to go home every night, the rockstars can handle the high speed super dangerous stuff. ;)
 
- A wedge shaped index point was also approved but the tango down is what is always fitted by the armourers.
- Colt initially fitted the barrel mounted, folding front sight on the integrated uppers but later switched to one mounted on the upper rail. RCMP carbines are all of the earlier style to my knowledge and the rail mounting may interfere with the light mount anyways.
- The first style extended charging handles are being switched out for a stronger (BMC?) one but it has sharp edges. Most prefer the first style but they occasionally fail as the pin used was not a roll pin and they sometimes broke under hard use.
- the IUR carbines are heavy but shoot awesome. Adrenaline lightens things up quick! Colt Canada really builds a great gun.
- Replacement Mags are generally US made ones that are grey vs the original, Canadian black ones.
- Anti tip mag followers in the Mags.
- Triggers are awesome.
- 15.7” barrel was chosen to provide the desired velocity to specified distance with the preferred load. Trying to achieve an acceptable min/max penetration and fragmentation for effectiveness. Lots of bullet and load testing was done. Don’t get in front of one!
- ERT is switching to .300 blackout.

-Prefer the tango down over a magpul angled grip.
-I like the barrel mounted folding sight although it hurts like hell when you hit it with your elbow. Which happens sooner or later and usually more than a few times.
-BCM charging handle sucks!!! Using the work space method it cuts your hand up. I can't imagine using that on the 5 day course or even for recert.
-Yup shoots awesome.
 
Yup BCM sucks for the way they want you to use it, workspace method racking with the palm of your hand.

I tore the side of my palm up when I did my last recert. Next time I'm looking for one with the badger ordnance tac-latch.
 
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Sorry, mine's not a clone, but I used my IUR at Redneck 3 gun earlier this year, awesome rifle, very happy with it. Last year, I was using the AFG, this year I tried out the Tango Down stubby.

Badger Ord tac latch is awesome, not expensive either. Nordic has them for $25 or something like that. Wayy better than the Claw on our C7s. Had a few BCMs for a while, but sold them and went with the Badger Ord latches.
 
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Yup BCM sucks for the way they want you to use it, workspace method racking with the palm of your hand.

I tore the side of my palm up when I did my last recert. Next time I'm looking for one with the badger ordnance tac-latch.

I remember the first time I picked up one of the carbines with the bcl charging handle. Looked it over, noted it was a BCM which is a solid name. Did safety/mechanical. Bolt forward, safety on then promptly turned off the aim point, caps on and returned it. I then grabbed one with the badger latch.

When these first came out not many were trained. I had my own issued to me for 6 months. It was great!
 
I remember the first time I picked up one of the carbines with the bcl charging handle. Looked it over, noted it was a BCM which is a solid name. Did safety/mechanical. Bolt forward, safety on then promptly turned off the aim point, caps on and returned it. I then grabbed one with the badger latch.

When these first came out not many were trained. I had my own issued to me for 6 months. It was great!

I dont get the hate with the BCM charging handle. I've had one since they first came out and then got another one when they were slightly updated. I also have Raptor.
 
I dont get the hate with the BCM charging handle. I've had one since they first came out and then got another one when they were slightly updated. I also have Raptor.

With the workspace method you use the palm of your off side hand to push down on the side of the charging handle. The muzzle is pointed upwards. With the BCM it cuts your hand as the edge isn't ideal and it's too short for this system to work well. If you are doing what most do and point the muzzle down range and use such as normally seen then the BCM is great. If you point down range and blade your weak hand to use the charging handle then the Raptor is very slick. But not for the way the RCMP handle the carbine.
 
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Sorry, mine's not a clone, but I used my IUR at Redneck 3 gun earlier this year, awesome rifle, very happy with it. Last year, I was using the AFG, this year I tried out the Tango Down stubby.

Badger Ord tac latch is awesome, not expensive either. Nordic has them for $25 or something like that. Wayy better than the Claw on our C7s. Had a few BCMs for a while, but sold them and went with the Badger Ord latches.[/QUOTE]

Did you just reload an "air mag"? It looks like you're grabbing air for that reload!! :p
 
With the workspace method you use the palm of your off side hand to push down on the side of the charging handle. The muzzle is pointed upwards. With the BCM it cuts your hand as the edge isn't ideal and it's too short for this system to work well. If you are doing what most do and point the muzzle down range and use such as normally seen then the BCM is great. If you point down range and blade your weak hand to use the charging handle then the Raptor is very slick. But not for the way the RCMP handle the carbine.

No one I know keeps their muzzle facing forward unless its a range rule. The BCM edge might be too sharp for a course when you will be using it more than real life. When I shoot carbines, I wear gloves, so maybe thats why I've never had any issues.

To clarify the latch is medium.
 
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I'm not talking about 'breacher parties' I'm talking about every day stuff. Not high speed hostage rescue, flashbang and storm the bad guys stuff. The only time I've put the sling in a 2 point was on a longer hike through the bush, otherwise it's in the way. Single point is just way more convenient when you're expected to do other things besides just carry a gun, or popping deer off hand at 100 yards. For how we're trained, and how I've had to use it, any traditional sling carry wouldn't cut it.



As someone who shoots lefty I'm not super happy with the new BCM ones. Seems they opted for the small or possibly medium latch. We have some older ones and newer ones, I always take the same rifle with me, with the badger latch. I like it better for lefty.
And the grey mags suck, not a fan of those either.



All the time. But like I said, not high speed ERT stuff, just day to day clearing of houses and basements etc. Done it dozens of times, will continue to do so until I transfer to a sleepy spot. ERT is 6 hours away driving time, more like 10-12 hours away once they're assembled and get the whole unit rolling. They don't come out for most things understandably, and the lower risk stuff we're often left with ourselves. I'm no super hero or wannabe, I won't run and gun into a room where we *know* someone has a firearm, but when it's a routine clearing of a house, or search warrant, you just deal with it.

I still want to go home every night, the rockstars can handle the high speed super dangerous stuff. ;)

Well I stand corrected, I had no idea patrol officers were thusly engaged these days.
 
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