RCMP Letter of Interest for a New Service Pistol

They are still carrying older SW stainless double action pistols

They transitioned away from the S&W model 10, 38 Special, 5 inch barrel in the 90’s and went to the S&W 9 mm, 5946, Mag capacity of 15, 16 if you count the one in the chamber which most of us did. It was prone to misfires and gummed up firing pins when they first came out, there was also a smaller frame version for those with smaller hands, some, but not all of the women chose the smaller frame version. There were better firearms out there at the time. Interestingly enough, after it was chosen one of the people on the selection committee was supposedly hired by S&W, or so rumour had it.
 
I saw in the RFI the mention of a 'trigger blade' or whatever it's called. P320's lack those. So Glock (45?) or M&P. My bet's with M&P due to lack of modularity with the Glock. Depends upon how much they actually 'weight' each ask... Oh, and S&W will pretty much 'give away' guns like they did the last time in 1996 to retain what, for them, is a very prestigious contract.

-J.

I wouldn't be so sure? I'm not sure if S&W is that interested?
 
The problem is the "cake eaters" want the "perfect" pistol & it doesn't exist, that's why the 5946 is going on 25+ yrs of service.

Circa 1994, when evaluating several models of semi-auto pistols for conversion over from .38 Spl revolvers, it was found that the 5946 was an ideal paper weight to keep spare targets from blowing off the shooting bench.:p

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No magazine disconnect.. interesting....


Public Works posted a letter of interest on 2022-03-25. Looks like they're FINALLY going to get into the 21st Century. A few highlights:

-striker fired 9mm
-max length 7.5 inches
-max height w/o optic or magazine of 5.51 inches
-Optic ready
-non-reflective
-polymer lower
-mutiple hand sizing options, no finger grooves
-ambi slide catch
-loaded chamber indicator
-can fire without magazine



More details here:

https://buyandsell.gc.ca/procurement-data/tender-notice/PW-BM-030-28618
 
Fat rumour of the list I heard so far...

CZ P10C or F (unsure which model) All I heard it was P10
SIG P320 RXP, heard a few members liking it so far... But its from GD members.
Glock 17 Gen 5 MOS,

if it does come to fruition most likely P320. But if it cost wise would be easily CZ lol.

In my opinion I think Glock 45 MOS should be the one, and being the mountie they probably want it duo tone with mounted police symbol haha.



Public Works posted a letter of interest on 2022-03-25. Looks like they're FINALLY going to get into the 21st Century. A few highlights:

-striker fired 9mm
-max length 7.5 inches
-max height w/o optic or magazine of 5.51 inches
-Optic ready
-non-reflective
-polymer lower
-mutiple hand sizing options, no finger grooves
-ambi slide catch
-loaded chamber indicator
-can fire without magazine



More details here:

https://buyandsell.gc.ca/procurement-data/tender-notice/PW-BM-030-28618
 
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Idiots. Just buy the same Sig 320 that the US military is getting. That for RCMP and our Canadian forces. Not going to do any better and all the vetting and testing has been done. Jump on an add-on contract and just get the damn gun. All the naval gazing and searching for payola has to stop.
 
Idiots. Just buy the same Sig 320 that the US military is getting. That for RCMP and our Canadian forces. Not going to do any better and all the vetting and testing has been done. Jump on an add-on contract and just get the damn gun. All the naval gazing and searching for payola has to stop.

I have to actually agree with this. We observed the same problem when waiting for the C8 procurement process. Every police force in North America had already done the testing and research and chose an AR15. We already had them in our ERT inventories, but somehow it still took over a decade to get it sorted out - and now they are moving to .300 blackout for some stupid reason. A Sig P320 would just make sense. It wouldn't necessarily be my first choice, but it would be a logical choice. I pretty much guarantee I will never see the new pistol in my career. Teaching an old dog new tricks is supposed to be impossible anyway ..... All that being said, love or hate the 5946, it would feel really weird to not have it on my hip.
 
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You know what they say, when you put logic to them you will get a headaches.

P320 would be an armoury dream.

I have to actually agree with this. We observed the same problem when waiting for the C8 procurement process. Every police force in North America had already done the testing and research and chose an AR15. We already had them in our ERT inventories, but somehow it still too over a decade to get it sorted out - and now they are moving to .300 blackout for some stupid reason. A Sig P320 would just make sense. It wouldn't necessarily be my first choice, but it would be a logical choice. I pretty much guarantee I will never see the new pistol in my career. Teaching an old dog new tricks is supposed to be impossible anyway ..... All that being said, love or hate the 5946, it would feel really weird to not have it on my hip.
 
I have to actually agree with this. We observed the same problem when waiting for the C8 procurement process. Every police force in North America had already done the testing and research and chose an AR15. We already had them in our ERT inventories, but somehow it still too over a decade to get it sorted out - and now they are moving to .300 blackout for some stupid reason. A Sig P320 would just make sense. It wouldn't necessarily be my first choice, but it would be a logical choice. I pretty much guarantee I will never see the new pistol in my career. Teaching an old dog new tricks is supposed to be impossible anyway ..... All that being said, love or hate the 5946, it would feel really weird to not have it on my hip.
I picked up on a supply contract announcement that one of the Montreal suburban police forces was changing their ARs for .300BO and they wanted suppressors and hundreds of thousands of rounds. The usual sort of public announcement. What struck me was this is a bedroom and light industrial community, separate from the island. Do their ERT guys regularly get called onto the Island as mutual aid, and felt undergunned in the operating neighbourhoods? Are their selection of bad guys suiting up with armour that issue 5.56 can't defeat? Or, was this a methodical step of advancing with current police equipment doctrine? Either way, if I was a tax payer in that suburb, I'd be pestering the police board why and who's paying?
 
G45 MOS would be better than G17 so as to be able to sit down a little easier or make it fit (as best it can) while driving. The slight benefit of 4.5" versus 4.0" for sight radius/velocity is outweighed for a little more holster-friendly dimensions. Current 5946 is 4.0" & t'is big enough I think. Anyway, as others have said, Sig's P320 would be just fine. Buddy has the Sig & it plain works. As it should. I'm sure a G45 would do very well, too. But the prospects of shedding a few lbs of steel off my right hip is appealing. VERY appealing. One gets rather creative trying to 'hide' a 5946 when in plainclothes...!

-J.
 
Public Works posted a letter of interest on 2022-03-25. Looks like they're FINALLY going to get into the 21st Century. A few highlights:

-striker fired 9mm
-max length 7.5 inches
-max height w/o optic or magazine of 5.51 inches
-Optic ready
-non-reflective
-polymer lower
-mutiple hand sizing options, no finger grooves
-ambi slide catch
-loaded chamber indicator
-can fire without magazine



More details here:

https://buyandsell.gc.ca/procurement-data/tender-notice/PW-BM-030-28618

Sounds like a Glock 17? Ambi slide catch though?
 
I picked up on a supply contract announcement that one of the Montreal suburban police forces was changing their ARs for .300BO and they wanted suppressors and hundreds of thousands of rounds. The usual sort of public announcement. What struck me was this is a bedroom and light industrial community, separate from the island. Do their ERT guys regularly get called onto the Island as mutual aid, and felt undergunned in the operating neighbourhoods? Are their selection of bad guys suiting up with armour that issue 5.56 can't defeat? Or, was this a methodical step of advancing with current police equipment doctrine? Either way, if I was a tax payer in that suburb, I'd be pestering the police board why and who's paying?


Do you still have the URL for that announcement?


SPVM & Co. may be following the SQ in procurement, and the SQ went with select-fire .300 Blackout (with suppressors) for their tactical units...
 
They could do alot worse than the PDP, maybe they will get S&W to do a "upgraded" run of the 5946? who knows if they buy the tooling? or get Colt Canada to do it? I'm sure that S&W would have no problems selling the TDP for the 5946 to Colt to manufacture.
 
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