Real CGN-wildcat-thread-soon-to-be-forum
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well the P14 action is a pretty dam sweet action to build toys on and economical as well, that 300WBY BR built on 1 with the factory millitary trigger tuned to 2lbs was insaine :twisted:
we will see what happens but a fellow BR shooter out here has ordered a pgw action , if its as nice as he says I may order 1 up as well and start project comeback , time to build a rifle that will dominate the 1000 yard here , 6.5x284 caliber because they are tried tested and proven at 1000 yards ..could be a good winter project ..now if the bank will lend me money for a nightforce scope Ill be happy :lol:
we will see what happens but a fellow BR shooter out here has ordered a pgw action , if its as nice as he says I may order 1 up as well and start project comeback , time to build a rifle that will dominate the 1000 yard here , 6.5x284 caliber because they are tried tested and proven at 1000 yards ..could be a good winter project ..now if the bank will lend me money for a nightforce scope Ill be happy :lol:
I agree about the P14, a few weeks ago I was fortunate enough to pick up 2 very nice P14's off of CGN. One belonged to Riflechair; it is a beauty so I'm leaving it original. The other came from a very nice gentleman out east, CGN handle is Cosmic. I thought seeing as how the gun came from an area of Ontario less then an hour’s drive from Epps sporting goods that it deserved to be rechambered into the 303 Epps. So Bill leeper is doing the work as we speak.
I just finished on the phone with the Alberta Undersubscribed Hunting license draw and managed to get myself a Cow Moose tag so I think the 303 Epps is the correct medicine for that tag.
Dave Henry from D. Henry Gunworks in Bentley, Alberta has just completed my 30-30 AI on a Win 94. I'm picking it up this Friday; it should prove to be a great little bush-pushing rifle. I highly recommend Dave for any gunsmithing work you need. He is a very competent, knowledgable and a great guy. If you are into English shotguns he will talk your ear off.
The 19 Calhoon, that’s a very interesting little animal. My buddy introduced it to me. Its built on a Brno 527 action with a Pac-Nor barrel in a great looking piece of furniture. Like I mentioned the casing is a 22 Hornet round that looks very similar to the K Hornet, the only difference is the shoulder angle and the bullet diameter. Apparently the US military developed the 19-caliber projectile but didn't use it. So a Mr. James Calhoon picked up on it and has enjoyed some success with its development. He also manufactures the bullets for the gun and coats them with Silver Nitrate. I'm using 32 gr Double Hollow Points; I should be able to get 3200 fps out of it. So as you can imagine those pesky gophers with take a beating next season. I'm hoping to become the "Helicopter King"
Check out the website for the 19-Calhoon, it's very interesting.
http://www.jamescalhoon.com/
I just finished on the phone with the Alberta Undersubscribed Hunting license draw and managed to get myself a Cow Moose tag so I think the 303 Epps is the correct medicine for that tag.
Dave Henry from D. Henry Gunworks in Bentley, Alberta has just completed my 30-30 AI on a Win 94. I'm picking it up this Friday; it should prove to be a great little bush-pushing rifle. I highly recommend Dave for any gunsmithing work you need. He is a very competent, knowledgable and a great guy. If you are into English shotguns he will talk your ear off.
The 19 Calhoon, that’s a very interesting little animal. My buddy introduced it to me. Its built on a Brno 527 action with a Pac-Nor barrel in a great looking piece of furniture. Like I mentioned the casing is a 22 Hornet round that looks very similar to the K Hornet, the only difference is the shoulder angle and the bullet diameter. Apparently the US military developed the 19-caliber projectile but didn't use it. So a Mr. James Calhoon picked up on it and has enjoyed some success with its development. He also manufactures the bullets for the gun and coats them with Silver Nitrate. I'm using 32 gr Double Hollow Points; I should be able to get 3200 fps out of it. So as you can imagine those pesky gophers with take a beating next season. I'm hoping to become the "Helicopter King"
Check out the website for the 19-Calhoon, it's very interesting.
http://www.jamescalhoon.com/
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- Lakes District BC
ok so I couldnt wait for bullcoon to get here...dont feel bad the wife already slapped me in the back of the head when she relised I shot every water jug in the house today with the 458 :lol: :lol: (dam do them things fly and come unglued on a 400Gr JFP :lol: )
Bones
One of the members of our club is a long range, precsion rifle fanatic. He regularly wins competitions.
He build rifles on PGW actions, and frankly, a P-14 is ###
compared to what PGW produces..
I shoot with him quite often, and his rifles are insanely acurate. His abilities are insane, too..He get's pissed off when a 5 round group at 300 meters is over .25"
He likes to have a 3" gorup at 1000, and an "ok" group at 1000 should be less than 6"
I can't shoot like him..
PGW makes gooood stuff...
One of the members of our club is a long range, precsion rifle fanatic. He regularly wins competitions.
He build rifles on PGW actions, and frankly, a P-14 is ###
compared to what PGW produces..I shoot with him quite often, and his rifles are insanely acurate. His abilities are insane, too..He get's pissed off when a 5 round group at 300 meters is over .25"
He likes to have a 3" gorup at 1000, and an "ok" group at 1000 should be less than 6"
I can't shoot like him..
PGW makes gooood stuff...
Do a search for Prairie Gun Works Jacky (and yes, they do make very, very nice stuff). - Dan
Here is an article I wrote for our local gunclub newsletter a while back. Hope you enjoy.
Reloading a wildcat
I'm sure this has happened to all of us at one time or another. Scenario:
sitting in the coffee shop with someone who is "cleaning out the closet".
So, wadda ya got that's interesting? "Oh, that's nice but not really what I
had in mind." " That will make someone very happy but it's not for me
either" " What's that you say? .219 Donaldson Wasp? SOLD!"
The .219 wasp is the brainchild of Harvey Donaldson. Several versions of the
Wasp were created, but Donaldson's version turned out to be the most
popular. This is no new kid on the block: the Wasp was created in the late
1930's and held the most benchrest titles until the early 1950's. This was
apparrently due somewhat to it's more or less ideal case capacity for 22
calliber. For a more complete history lesson, see Cartridges of the World.
For those of you bored by history, the wasp was originally a necked-down and
shortened 219 Zipper case. Performance is midway between a .223rem and a
22-250.
I was looking for something to play with and to learn from and this seemed
to fit the bill. The rifle is built on a Springfield action, has a yet to be
identified target barrel, and is a single shot. I have not shot the gun yet,
as when I bought it, the scope that was on it did not want to come home with
me. New scope was purchased and mounts are in the process. That's OK,
though, I have to learn how to reload this thing first!
I'll bet when you buy brass you noticed there is not a lot of 219 Zipper
brass to be had. Easy enough to overcome: Wasp brass can be formed from any
brass with the same rim diameter and thickness including .22 savage HP,
25/35, 30-30 etc with the proper form dies. I only had a few pieces of 30-30
kicking around, I don't have one so all my findings go to a buddy of mine.
The rifle came with form dies but no instruction so I thought How hard can
it be? I set out with my 3 peices of 30-30 brass to crank out my very first
Wasp cases. The result? 3 perfectly mangled wasp cases. OK. Time to suck
back and reload(So to speak!) The problem seemed to be with lube dents,
actually lube folds! You are moving a lot of brass around here. I was
heading out for deer hunting soon, I would snag more brass while down south.
Before I left, an informed source told me I could use 375Win brass to make
Wasp cases. The brass is stronger and a fellow could maybe stoke things up a
bit. Mental note to self, look for 375Win brass. I was able to find one bag
of 50 crossing 3 provinces so I guess it is not as hard to find as 219
Zipper!
Back at the bench with my shiney new 375 brass in hand I remembered how easy
itr was to ruin good brass so I thought I would take things slow. First I
picked up the Box with the form dies. The lable said ".219wasp from 30-30.
OH-oh. Suddenly that 375 brass looked really expensive. Oh well, here goes.
See photo for reference.
Starting on the left is a peice of 375 brass.
Remembering the lube caverns I created one my first attempt, I dabbed my
finger tip in Imperial sizing wax and more or less put a few fingerprints on
the top 3/4 of the case. Into the press and form die #1, Viola!, the case
was now necked to something just shy of .308. So far so good.
Put form die #2 in the press and a few more finger prints. The 3rd case in
the photo shows the result. The case is now necked to about 6mm.
The final form die reduces the neck to it's final size and is a trim die,
simply cut off what ever sticks out the top and file flat. The 4th case in
the photo shows what the case looks like sans trimming.
The 5th case is after a pass through the full length die and neck reaming.
ready for fire-forming.
The last case is a fire-formed case that came with the gun. Imp wax is the
greatest thing since sliced bread for this type of adventure. Formed 50
cases with out a loss. No small task when you consider it started off as
.375 caliber shrunk to .22.
I am looking forward to seeing what I can make this gun do, no doubt it will
shoot better than I can. I have compiled a list and components for accuracy
loads as suggested by knowledgable sources but as most of the load data is
many years old, I also look forward to experimenting with new powders that
have come about since anyone wanted to go through the the trouble to make
219wasp cases. Now the really fun part begins. I will post an update for
those interested after I've played for a while.
Reloading a wildcat
I'm sure this has happened to all of us at one time or another. Scenario:
sitting in the coffee shop with someone who is "cleaning out the closet".
So, wadda ya got that's interesting? "Oh, that's nice but not really what I
had in mind." " That will make someone very happy but it's not for me
either" " What's that you say? .219 Donaldson Wasp? SOLD!"
The .219 wasp is the brainchild of Harvey Donaldson. Several versions of the
Wasp were created, but Donaldson's version turned out to be the most
popular. This is no new kid on the block: the Wasp was created in the late
1930's and held the most benchrest titles until the early 1950's. This was
apparrently due somewhat to it's more or less ideal case capacity for 22
calliber. For a more complete history lesson, see Cartridges of the World.
For those of you bored by history, the wasp was originally a necked-down and
shortened 219 Zipper case. Performance is midway between a .223rem and a
22-250.
I was looking for something to play with and to learn from and this seemed
to fit the bill. The rifle is built on a Springfield action, has a yet to be
identified target barrel, and is a single shot. I have not shot the gun yet,
as when I bought it, the scope that was on it did not want to come home with
me. New scope was purchased and mounts are in the process. That's OK,
though, I have to learn how to reload this thing first!
I'll bet when you buy brass you noticed there is not a lot of 219 Zipper
brass to be had. Easy enough to overcome: Wasp brass can be formed from any
brass with the same rim diameter and thickness including .22 savage HP,
25/35, 30-30 etc with the proper form dies. I only had a few pieces of 30-30
kicking around, I don't have one so all my findings go to a buddy of mine.
The rifle came with form dies but no instruction so I thought How hard can
it be? I set out with my 3 peices of 30-30 brass to crank out my very first
Wasp cases. The result? 3 perfectly mangled wasp cases. OK. Time to suck
back and reload(So to speak!) The problem seemed to be with lube dents,
actually lube folds! You are moving a lot of brass around here. I was
heading out for deer hunting soon, I would snag more brass while down south.
Before I left, an informed source told me I could use 375Win brass to make
Wasp cases. The brass is stronger and a fellow could maybe stoke things up a
bit. Mental note to self, look for 375Win brass. I was able to find one bag
of 50 crossing 3 provinces so I guess it is not as hard to find as 219
Zipper!
Back at the bench with my shiney new 375 brass in hand I remembered how easy
itr was to ruin good brass so I thought I would take things slow. First I
picked up the Box with the form dies. The lable said ".219wasp from 30-30.
OH-oh. Suddenly that 375 brass looked really expensive. Oh well, here goes.
See photo for reference.
Starting on the left is a peice of 375 brass.
Remembering the lube caverns I created one my first attempt, I dabbed my
finger tip in Imperial sizing wax and more or less put a few fingerprints on
the top 3/4 of the case. Into the press and form die #1, Viola!, the case
was now necked to something just shy of .308. So far so good.
Put form die #2 in the press and a few more finger prints. The 3rd case in
the photo shows the result. The case is now necked to about 6mm.
The final form die reduces the neck to it's final size and is a trim die,
simply cut off what ever sticks out the top and file flat. The 4th case in
the photo shows what the case looks like sans trimming.
The 5th case is after a pass through the full length die and neck reaming.
ready for fire-forming.
The last case is a fire-formed case that came with the gun. Imp wax is the
greatest thing since sliced bread for this type of adventure. Formed 50
cases with out a loss. No small task when you consider it started off as
.375 caliber shrunk to .22.
I am looking forward to seeing what I can make this gun do, no doubt it will
shoot better than I can. I have compiled a list and components for accuracy
loads as suggested by knowledgable sources but as most of the load data is
many years old, I also look forward to experimenting with new powders that
have come about since anyone wanted to go through the the trouble to make
219wasp cases. Now the really fun part begins. I will post an update for
those interested after I've played for a while.
- Location
- Lakes District BC
never even heard of an american 458x2 :?: please do tell
- Location
- Lakes District BC
that would be an interesting cartridge for sure , although I am quite content with my 458 mag even if it does bruise me :lol: , good read by the way Joe , thanks .
I think there is nuff wildcat guys here we need to get our heads together and come up with a new 1000 yard BR cartridge , any good wildcats in the BR game are becoming factory ammo guns nowoadays , time for something radical and new in the game :wink:
I think there is nuff wildcat guys here we need to get our heads together and come up with a new 1000 yard BR cartridge , any good wildcats in the BR game are becoming factory ammo guns nowoadays , time for something radical and new in the game :wink:
- Location
- Lakes District BC
anything with 400+Gr is good in bear country :lol: , hell even stop a suicidal combine to :lol:
well at some point today we will do a actual target on the 458 and give accurate range reports , as well as a custom built 30-06 that dusty was kind nuff to pass on to my 13 year old son who will have targets online by tonight , as well as range reports on the new tikka T3 lite in 300 win mag ..still awaiting to see if bullcoon shows up here thismorning and we will bugger off and do some shooting
well at some point today we will do a actual target on the 458 and give accurate range reports , as well as a custom built 30-06 that dusty was kind nuff to pass on to my 13 year old son who will have targets online by tonight , as well as range reports on the new tikka T3 lite in 300 win mag ..still awaiting to see if bullcoon shows up here thismorning and we will bugger off and do some shooting
