You do realize Mosin prices start at like $370 these days right?
Refurbished Mosins being sold as UNISSUED/UNFIRED/NEVER ISSUED @ Rangeview AVOID!!
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You do realize Mosin prices start at like $370 these days right?
?????? - How on Earth does this tie into the situation they created?
This is getting weirder and weirder.
Brookwood
There are Mosins in Afghanistan. Perhaps this was meant for Canadians who served in that conflict? Strange indeed.
I got mine today. I ordered one Laminate, one hardwood. I got two laminates, but only one oiler/cleaning kit. Two of everything else.
One stock has a refurb stamp that looks half sanded. The receiver markings are sharp, and clear.
The other has no refurb stamp on the stock that I can see, but the receiver stamping are barely legible except for the serial. It's almost like the area was previously corroded, or sandblasted to clean off rust, then the serial was re struck. The Ishvesk triangle is barely recognizable.
Both barrels have a diamond stamp, and the look of a more recent coarse sanding job to blend it to the receiver before re bluing.
Not sure what to say here. I didn't get what I ordered, accessories are outstanding.
I didn't clean any of the Cosmo off except to see the markings. One bolt face has green in the Cosmo, indicating enough brass there to show oxidation.
I'd probably still take the difference as a refund. They are good looking rifles.
One stock has a refurb stamp that looks half sanded. The receiver markings are sharp, and clear.
The other has no refurb stamp on the stock that I can see, but the receiver stamping are barely legible except for the serial. It's almost like the area was previously corroded, or sandblasted to clean off rust, then the serial was re struck. The Ishvesk triangle is barely recognizable.
Both barrels have a diamond stamp, and the look of a more recent coarse sanding job to blend it to the receiver before re bluing.
Not sure what to say here. I didn't get what I ordered, accessories are outstanding.
I didn't clean any of the Cosmo off except to see the markings. One bolt face has green in the Cosmo, indicating enough brass there to show oxidation.
I'd probably still take the difference as a refund. They are good looking rifles.
Very well then, they owe me $270, and an oiler/ cleaning kit.
BTW, I'm seeing them for around $320-$330 for refurb, never fired.
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Runningfool
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I have a funny feeling the explanation thread Rangeview Sports’ started is going to disappear so I will just post this here as well.
I’m no psychic but I can tell you how this is going to play out:
RVS: Those rifles weren’t unissued!
Supplier: Of course not, never said they were.
RVS: Well you said they were in new condition!
Supplier: Yes we did. They are.
RVS: Sh1t!
Customer: You said you’d issue a refund!
RVS: We said we would issue a refund if the information we got from our supplier was incorrect. It wasn’t.
Rangeview I have to say I have zero sympathy for you. You had ample opportunity to get in front of this and you have repeatedly screwed the proverbial pooch! I’m seriously surprised at how you could possibly think that what you’ve just posted will do anything other than sink you deeper! Blaming others for giving you bad advice regarding deleting threads? Blaming your supplier because you thought new condition is the same thing as unissued?
Two things you should do right now.
1) who ever is giving you business advice on this fiasco, run away from them. Don’t walk. Run. They are either secretly hoping your business fails or they have had some sort of significant head injury.
2) take ownership of this. All of it. Immediately. The life of your business depends on this and even then, I’d put your odds at surviving at 50/50.
THE ONLY CHANCE YOUR BUSINESS HAS IS IF YOU OWN THIS RIGHT NOW.
I’m sure you’re telling yourself, “Well not everyone is on gunnutz, not everyone will hear about this, it will eventually be forgotten.” . That little voice in your head telling you that you didn’t really screw things up THAT bad is dead wrong. The only thing gunnies do better than telling their friends about the great deals they’ve got is telling their friends about scammers. And unless you come completely clean on this you will be forever labeled a scammer. Don’t believe me? Try something other than what I’ve just suggested and get back to me a year from now.
I’m no psychic but I can tell you how this is going to play out:
RVS: Those rifles weren’t unissued!
Supplier: Of course not, never said they were.
RVS: Well you said they were in new condition!
Supplier: Yes we did. They are.
RVS: Sh1t!
Customer: You said you’d issue a refund!
RVS: We said we would issue a refund if the information we got from our supplier was incorrect. It wasn’t.
Rangeview I have to say I have zero sympathy for you. You had ample opportunity to get in front of this and you have repeatedly screwed the proverbial pooch! I’m seriously surprised at how you could possibly think that what you’ve just posted will do anything other than sink you deeper! Blaming others for giving you bad advice regarding deleting threads? Blaming your supplier because you thought new condition is the same thing as unissued?
Two things you should do right now.
1) who ever is giving you business advice on this fiasco, run away from them. Don’t walk. Run. They are either secretly hoping your business fails or they have had some sort of significant head injury.
2) take ownership of this. All of it. Immediately. The life of your business depends on this and even then, I’d put your odds at surviving at 50/50.
THE ONLY CHANCE YOUR BUSINESS HAS IS IF YOU OWN THIS RIGHT NOW.
I’m sure you’re telling yourself, “Well not everyone is on gunnutz, not everyone will hear about this, it will eventually be forgotten.” . That little voice in your head telling you that you didn’t really screw things up THAT bad is dead wrong. The only thing gunnies do better than telling their friends about the great deals they’ve got is telling their friends about scammers. And unless you come completely clean on this you will be forever labeled a scammer. Don’t believe me? Try something other than what I’ve just suggested and get back to me a year from now.
Except that they don't appear to be nice condition returns, but kind of crap ones. I have one waiting for me to pick up from canpar. If its a nice one then I'd be ok with a partial refund, but if it looks like the one in the OP pic, then I want to return it.
Ha, what a drama I missed while was away. Couple of ppl msged me and asked my opinion and decided not to buy.
Strictly speaking unissued mosins do exist, let me remind you M91/30/43 imported by Tradex. Most of them were "light refurbs", actually storage re-conditioning, but they were definitely never issued. Also it's possible to find original 91/30 unissued, non-refurbed, even with factory matching bayonet... Will be prob 1943-1944 dated rifle, I saw couple of those... I would not be surprise if one day couple of hundred unissued rifles will surface, but that was false alarm...
I feel sorry for guys that got scammed, however a word of advice - ask experts, there are several on this board and always willing to help. And seriously, retail businesses are not specializing in collectible stuff, they are not supposed to know as much as collectors do (though the are responsible for what they advertise). Take any ad with huge grain of salt.... and tequila, because reading some milsurp ads by vendors is not for sober minds.
Strictly speaking unissued mosins do exist, let me remind you M91/30/43 imported by Tradex. Most of them were "light refurbs", actually storage re-conditioning, but they were definitely never issued. Also it's possible to find original 91/30 unissued, non-refurbed, even with factory matching bayonet... Will be prob 1943-1944 dated rifle, I saw couple of those... I would not be surprise if one day couple of hundred unissued rifles will surface, but that was false alarm...
I feel sorry for guys that got scammed, however a word of advice - ask experts, there are several on this board and always willing to help. And seriously, retail businesses are not specializing in collectible stuff, they are not supposed to know as much as collectors do (though the are responsible for what they advertise). Take any ad with huge grain of salt.... and tequila, because reading some milsurp ads by vendors is not for sober minds.
Wholesale Sports had a number of these for sale a number of years ago. $179.00. The one I bought is 1942 dated with matching bayonet. They all came with matching bayonets and accessory packs (ammo pouch, tool, oiler etc.) Looks absolutely brand new. Maybe it was refurbished but maybe not. Does not have the "r" after the date like you see on the SKS's.
BlackPowderBurner
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What does the R have to do with anything? It’s a Cyrillic “g” for “goda” which means “god” and is an abbreviation for year (sort of like AD). I bought one of those Mosins from WSS too, mine was definitely a Ukrainian refurb though all stamped matching.
That was most likely refurbs with force matched bayonets. One has to pay attention to fonts, in 99% fonts dies used were the same for serial on barrel shank, bolt, mag floor plate, butt plate and bayonet.
Post good pics of serials if you're in doubt or want to be sure. Then one has to take into account finish of metal parts and wood, there were several changes in finish over the course of production.
^^Are these sc@ms (not talking about WSS) coming to an end now? And will the people get their money back if they asked for it?
IMO, it's time to move on, get something that was described in a proper way, with warranty and in a modern, non communist made, affordable and highly available calibre/cartridge.
IMO, it's time to move on, get something that was described in a proper way, with warranty and in a modern, non communist made, affordable and highly available calibre/cartridge.
Eaglelord17
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Your not going to find a much more affordable cartridge than 7.62x54r...
As Horilka suggests, it may not be obvious to new Mosin collectors what is "original stamped matching" and what is refurbished but with stamped , matching parts (even including the letter prefix). Once you've seen what "original" looks like a few times you can pretty easily differentiate. I would suggest going to the Gunboards Mosin forum and perusing a few of the dozens of threads showing what are considered to be original rifles. The only other thing I can add to this thread is that I've owned refurbs that almost certainly were never issued post refurb and, having perfect bores, must have gone directly from long term storage in excellent condition to refurbishment. It seems strange that a rifle with as-new bore would need to have other items like bolt, floorplate, and stock replaced but likely it was the most efficient way to pump out quantities of rifles returned to spec- just do them all! So I've owned refurbs that I would describe as "unissued post refurb" and in "as new" condition, but actually didn't pay any more for them than any run of the mill refurb ($225.00 at the time). Also, bona-fide truly original, matching 91/30's (in Canada) are truly scarce and aren't likely to show up at any time in large numbers. Strangely, in the Canadian collector market the true originals aren't even worth a huge amount. I have three that I payed around $500 for within the last three years.
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