Rem 783 - Some Range Testing - post 18

I don't think anyone is questioning your shooting skills. Nor do I think PRS is the "be all end all" shooting discipline that some people make it out to be.

However, it's annoying when people dole out advice for shooting disciplines that they have no experience in, or talk about attending PRS matches for years and never attending (all the while making excuses not to go).

Ummm, been mucking with mag fed bolt action rifles for a very long time. Longer then I have shot F class. The tech used today isn't exactly new... the parts, like chassis, are certainly a new take on the fundamentals but is the rifle really that different?.

Remember when the AI was new, rare and spending time with one was a new experience... and they used staggered feed mags???? and they had a new fangled aluminum skeleton.

Chamberings new? Nope, based on ideas used in the very old game of handgun Silhouette in the 1970's and 80's... Look up the work of Elgin Gates and IMSHA. Also look up the work of Donaldson and Gibbs. Wildcatting has been something I have done for my entire shooting career

Did you know the 6BR was actually a Remington cartridge and it wasn't a 6mm? Yeah, I likely have some 7BR brass kicking around somewhere... might even have some without the flash holes. And yes, they are dimensionally a bit different from the Norma version you have in Lapua brass.

I appreciate that many have not had the time or desire to learn about the roots of what is now considered cutting edge mag fed rifles. I have been lucky enough to play with this stuff and enjoyed seeing how it has evolved to its current state.

So, maybe I speak of the RIFLE from alot of years of mucking with them.

WRT to attending PRS matches... well, the last four years have had a whole lot of other commitments. Hint, hint, the work was to lead up to a very big event mid Aug in Ottawa.

Unfortunately, things didn't work out they way I would have liked but hey, family first. At least, I got a T shirt :)

But hey, there is always next season to juggle work, life and matches.

Jerry
 
Ok now I'm just confused, what does any of that have to do with the topic at hand? Jerry you talk and post a great game with lots of facts but at the end of the day the proof is on the score sheet, I'm not doubting your shooting ability i just want to see what this self proclaimed prs rifle is made outa. Trust me your not the only one on this site with years of shooting and reloading experience, do put your rifle where you keyboard is, get off your belly, grab that 783 prs rig and come shoot with us next season. It's all for good fun and we really aren't that bad of a bunch of guys.
 
This whole thread is based on a Remington 783 "PRS" build, i for one want to see it run in a prs match, maybe it shoots as good as the full customs that are very regular at our matches maybe be it can't, only one way to find out. As far as me attending an f class shoot anywhere it's probably not gonna happen I'm not interested in f class, I shoot some benchrest varmint for score and that's about it. All cards on the table Jerry you claim that this rifle is a prs build, it may shoot good off a bench or laying on your belly but let's see what it can do off a tire swing or a roof top or a prs barricade. I'd love to see it done with a mpod too. I'm not doubting your ability to lay down and shoot 900 yard groups but in all honesty that's not gonna help you in these matches.

I am sure you know that my shooting and business exposes me to alot of current "custom" stuff... It is fun to get to play with alot of gear. Been mucking about with bolt rifles when you had to "customise" a Rem 700... custom actions as we know them today weren't common at all. The real custom stuff was for TR shooting and rimfire Oly stuff. We were dragging our knuckles improving surplus actions and hunting rifles.

The important things you need to set up for proper mag feeding rifle really doesn't change whether you are using a custom or a customised receiver. My interest in the Rem 783 is because I see some really smart engineering put right into the DNA of the action. Ideas whose roots go back to rifles of the last century... and blends new concepts.

If you haven't spent time with one, you should. It has some very nice features.. some I wished were implemented into other actions I own.

But this is really a 2 part question... one is the rifle. I think I have a pretty good grasp on how these things work.

The 2nd is positional shooting under time constraints..... Now THIS is a whole new ball game for me. When was the last time you saw me talking about how to set up your tripod as a rear support or pros and cons of various pillow bags????

I have never said run and gun was my thing. I have spent the last decade learning how NOT to move. But positional shooting on the clock is something new to learn and I am enjoying learning and hurting.... don't bend like I used to.

Whether my rifle shoots well on a swinging tire or off a prop/barricade has really nothing to do with the rifle and everything to do with me.... and I fully admit, I have a lot to learn.

Now if there are ever stages where I can flop on the ground and not move for a while - now I could be very dangerous.

Jerry
 
Ok now I'm just confused, what does any of that have to do with the topic at hand? Jerry you talk and post a great game with lots of facts but at the end of the day the proof is on the score sheet, I'm not doubting your shooting ability i just want to see what this self proclaimed prs rifle is made outa. Trust me your not the only one on this site with years of shooting and reloading experience, do put your rifle where you keyboard is, get off your belly, grab that 783 prs rig and come shoot with us next season. It's all for good fun and we really aren't that bad of a bunch of guys.

The topic I started is discussing a donor action from a factory rifle that I feel makes for a great mag fed bolt rifle. One that would be suitable for the PRS game. I continue to add info to support my thoughts. Now if you think only chassis laden rifles are PRS suitable, then ok, I'm sunk as there are no chassis at this time... well, there is one but not my thing

Maybe you can explain what makes a PRS rifle different from the functions I suggest this platform can provide. I am not talking about my positional shooting skills. I am discussing the functions of an action and rifle. If there are things that are immediately lacking, I would appreciate the heads up so I can be better prepped.

And by the way, I have no doubt that the PRS community are a great bunch of guys and gals... I have met several that shoot at the F class matches I attend in Washington. They are eager to learn F class tech as I am to learn positional skills. Makes for lots of fun discussions over a nice meal and drinks.

Jerry
 
IMG_0227.JPG I don't run a chassis, my prs gun is heavy almost 19lbs, it has great balance, flat on the fore end, adjustable cheek rest, barricade stop built into the bottom metal, pic rail on the front so my bipod can quick detach if need be. I'm not saying your gun won't stand up, what I have said is bring it out and put it to work.
 

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Tikka pre-fits

1. Patriot Valley Arms (Ruger Amer pre-fits also)

2. Criterion Barrels

Will continue to tweak the loads a bit and add other bullets .... As a factory donor, still the best option in my books for options, costs and ease of use. The Tikka is pretty darn close and if prefits start to be a thing, this argument will be tougher.

Jerry
 
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The topic I started is discussing a donor action from a factory rifle that I feel makes for a great mag fed bolt rifle. One that would be suitable for the PRS game. I continue to add info to support my thoughts. Now if you think only chassis laden rifles are PRS suitable, then ok, I'm sunk as there are no chassis at this time... well, there is one but not my thing

Maybe you can explain what makes a PRS rifle different from the functions I suggest this platform can provide. I am not talking about my positional shooting skills. I am discussing the functions of an action and rifle. If there are things that are immediately lacking, I would appreciate the heads up so I can be better prepped.

I found your initial review of the new Remington interesting, but the promotion of it as an PRS donor is a little off the mark because 'pride of ownership' aside, the rifle action is pretty much at the bottom of the list of what makes an effective PRS rig. Same with the ability to use a pre-fit barrel.

On the other hand, the trigger and the stock/chassis that the shooter can work with is high on the list of making an effective PRS rig, and the lack of aftermarket support for the 783 makes it a non-starter.
 
OP, thanks for the great thread, I have just got turned on to the 783 and own one in .308. I really enjoy reading about what you are doing with these rifles and your thoughts on them.
 
View attachment 120049 I don't run a chassis, my prs gun is heavy almost 19lbs, it has great balance, flat on the fore end, adjustable cheek rest, barricade stop built into the bottom metal, pic rail on the front so my bipod can quick detach if need be. I'm not saying your gun won't stand up, what I have said is bring it out and put it to work.

That is a great pic.. thanks for sharing. Lovely rifle and I am sure a tack driver. Assuming that is a TT, one hell of an optic and displaced S&B as my "fave" glass.... such a wonderful product.

The part of your kit that is really interesting to me... that bag. Who would have thought, a "beany" bag could be so technical and work so well on all sorts of props. For me, the real new tech in PRS are all these wonderful support bags.

Now that my obligations in F Class are winding down, I fully expect to make it out to PRS matches. The ones in Washington as so much closer so hope to get to one next year. The Rock Lake match looks like way too much fun and those winds... yeah, that should be challenging/frustrating.

The Taber match is certainly on the radar... let's see if I can make it out next Sept.

Have a great off season.

Jerry
 
I found your initial review of the new Remington interesting, but the promotion of it as an PRS donor is a little off the mark because 'pride of ownership' aside, the rifle action is pretty much at the bottom of the list of what makes an effective PRS rig. Same with the ability to use a pre-fit barrel.

On the other hand, the trigger and the stock/chassis that the shooter can work with is high on the list of making an effective PRS rig, and the lack of aftermarket support for the 783 makes it a non-starter.

There wasn't a whole lot of support for the "new gen" Savage SA's a decade ago either. I think I received similar push back when I suggested the then new Savage Stevens 200 SA would make a dandy F class action. Now, look at how far and how much that action is used in all sorts of competition. In F class, there are some very prestigeous podiums taken with shooters using actions from this family of rifles.

Yes, the Rem 783 doesn't have alot of aftermarket at this time. I hope that will change as more shooters understand what they are getting out of the box.

Now I highlighted part of your statement cause it indicated to me a couple of things... one, you likely have never played with one... and more importantly, maybe you think it is simply a version of the Rem 770 which is a terrible design????

If you think, the 783 is merely a dressed up 770 or Savage Axis I would totally agree that we would be scrapping the bottom of the possible options. Remington continues to have some very confusing and conflicting marketing. The Rem 783 is indeed a clean slate design, created by some very knowledgeable engineers that have seen alot of different rifles and seem to have picked what they felt were the best and put it all in a package that could be effectively produced on modern machinery and get past the accountants.

The materials are every bit as good, dare I say it, better then the generic Rem 700 SPS. The manf from the new Kentucky plant is miles ahead of what has been coming from NY. I hope that all Rem 700's will start coming out of this KY plant.... they are doing it right out of this plant.

Yes, the Rem 783 doesn't show well in a store ... such a horrible bolt knob that feels terrible when you work the action. But that is easily removed. The trigger is decent but often has creep. A bit of a tune up and it breaks like any quality trigger like a Timney. Change out the crappy firing pin spring for a Rem SA Wolff and ignition is spot on. A bit of polishing and it runs very well.

The only way to know, is to spend some time with it. I got one cause I was bored and Cdn Tire had them on sale and Rem was doing a rebate. I was so impressed, I got a 2nd. I don't sell them so why bother???? Cause every now and then, you come across a product that exceeds your expectations ... the Stevens was my first, the Rem XR100 is another.

Who knows if the Rem 783 will catch on??? Don't care, I am enjoying mine... and I have a mega dollar custom titanium FTR action on one of my rigs so have dived head deep into the fancy stuff.

Over the last decade, with the huge number of reports success stories wrt to prefit barrels, thought that fear/misunderstanding would have subsided? Guess not. With newer CNC manf, the product keeps getting better. Couple that to actions designed from the ground up to take advantage of them, you have a very accurate combo that is also affordable and end user friendly. The number of barrel makers making prefits grows each year... somebody has to be buying them.

I see a number of custom action makers are also adjusting their actions to accomodate the Savage dimensioned prefit. I am sure they aren't doing this to make a lesser product???

Anyways, if you don't like the prefit, so be it. In my business, I support both and use both in competition... eenie meenie. It's all good... I have happy customers using both.

I have access to Rem 700s and all the custom clones, Savage SA's, Tikka's, pretty much anything I want. Why the heck would I bother with this entry level "hunting" rifle?

Interesting questions isn't it.....

Jerry
 
There wasn't a whole lot of support for the "new gen" Savage SA's a decade ago either. I think I received similar push back when I suggested the then new Savage Stevens 200 SA would make a dandy F class action. Now, look at how far and how much that action is used in all sorts of competition. In F class, there are some very prestigeous podiums taken with shooters using actions from this family of rifles.

Yes, the Rem 783 doesn't have alot of aftermarket at this time. I hope that will change as more shooters understand what they are getting out of the box.

Now I highlighted part of your statement cause it indicated to me a couple of things... one, you likely have never played with one... and more importantly, maybe you think it is simply a version of the Rem 770 which is a terrible design????

If you think, the 783 is merely a dressed up 770 or Savage Axis I would totally agree that we would be scrapping the bottom of the possible options. Remington continues to have some very confusing and conflicting marketing. The Rem 783 is indeed a clean slate design, created by some very knowledgeable engineers that have seen alot of different rifles and seem to have picked what they felt were the best and put it all in a package that could be effectively produced on modern machinery and get past the accountants.

The materials are every bit as good, dare I say it, better then the generic Rem 700 SPS. The manf from the new Kentucky plant is miles ahead of what has been coming from NY. I hope that all Rem 700's will start coming out of this KY plant.... they are doing it right out of this plant.

Yes, the Rem 783 doesn't show well in a store ... such a horrible bolt knob that feels terrible when you work the action. But that is easily removed. The trigger is decent but often has creep. A bit of a tune up and it breaks like any quality trigger like a Timney. Change out the crappy firing pin spring for a Rem SA Wolff and ignition is spot on. A bit of polishing and it runs very well.

The only way to know, is to spend some time with it. I got one cause I was bored and Cdn Tire had them on sale and Rem was doing a rebate. I was so impressed, I got a 2nd. I don't sell them so why bother???? Cause every now and then, you come across a product that exceeds your expectations ... the Stevens was my first, the Rem XR100 is another.

Who knows if the Rem 783 will catch on??? Don't care, I am enjoying mine... and I have a mega dollar custom titanium FTR action on one of my rigs so have dived head deep into the fancy stuff.

Over the last decade, with the huge number of reports success stories wrt to prefit barrels, thought that fear/misunderstanding would have subsided? Guess not. With newer CNC manf, the product keeps getting better. Couple that to actions designed from the ground up to take advantage of them, you have a very accurate combo that is also affordable and end user friendly. The number of barrel makers making prefits grows each year... somebody has to be buying them.

I see a number of custom action makers are also adjusting their actions to accomodate the Savage dimensioned prefit. I am sure they aren't doing this to make a lesser product???

Anyways, if you don't like the prefit, so be it. In my business, I support both and use both in competition... eenie meenie. It's all good... I have happy customers using both.

I have access to Rem 700s and all the custom clones, Savage SA's, Tikka's, pretty much anything I want. Why the heck would I bother with this entry level "hunting" rifle?

Interesting questions isn't it.....

Jerry


I think you misunderstood my post. I did not say the 783 was at the bottom of the list, I said that the rifle action (choice) itself is or should be at the bottom of the list.

The basic and established stuff works, and all you are doing is promoting something based on some perceived advantages that will leave a new shooter scouring the internet for accessories that don't exist.

Pointing out that the 783 feeds well out of an AICS pattern magazine is meaningless. Remington 700 and clones feed perfectly and always have. The whole AICS pattern was designed around them.

I have handled and shot a 783 and they offer nothing above a 700 or a 10 in practical terms for a PRS rig (and neither does a Defiance or Surgeon btw), while having the disadvantage of no available triggers or turn-key stocks/chassis that are suitable for PRS.

You like to tinker and experiment, and that's great. Lots of new things get developed that way, but anybody jumping into PRS would have to really go out of their way to find a worse choice to start out with than a 783.
 
I think you misunderstood my post. I did not say the 783 was at the bottom of the list, I said that the rifle action (choice) itself is or should be at the bottom of the list.

The basic and established stuff works, and all you are doing is promoting something based on some perceived advantages that will leave a new shooter scouring the internet for accessories that don't exist.

Pointing out that the 783 feeds well out of an AICS pattern magazine is meaningless. Remington 700 and clones feed perfectly and always have. The whole AICS pattern was designed around them.

I have handled and shot a 783 and they offer nothing above a 700 or a 10 in practical terms for a PRS rig (and neither does a Defiance or Surgeon btw), while having the disadvantage of no available triggers or turn-key stocks/chassis that are suitable for PRS.

You like to tinker and experiment, and that's great. Lots of new things get developed that way, but anybody jumping into PRS would have to really go out of their way to find a worse choice to start out with than a 783.

Exactly.

If you want the advantage of pre-fit barrels, look at Bighorn Arm actions, which supposedly has such high tolerances that a smith can spin you up a barrel without ever touching your action. PVA does this in the US, and I'm sure Insite can accomodate you up in Canada. IF you want to stick with a more standard action, well there is options for that as well: West Texas Ordnance switchlug, the "bug nut", American Rifle companies solution (not sure what they are calling it), etc.

I see zero advantage of trying to piece together an abortion of a PRS rig using a 783 action.
 
There wasn't a whole lot of support for the "new gen" Savage SA's a decade ago either. I think I received similar push back when I suggested the then new Savage Stevens 200 SA would make a dandy F class action. Now, look at how far and how much that action is used in all sorts of competition. In F class, there are some very prestigeous podiums taken with shooters using actions from this family of rifles.

Yes, the Rem 783 doesn't have alot of aftermarket at this time. I hope that will change as more shooters understand what they are getting out of the box.

Now I highlighted part of your statement cause it indicated to me a couple of things... one, you likely have never played with one... and more importantly, maybe you think it is simply a version of the Rem 770 which is a terrible design????

If you think, the 783 is merely a dressed up 770 or Savage Axis I would totally agree that we would be scrapping the bottom of the possible options. Remington continues to have some very confusing and conflicting marketing. The Rem 783 is indeed a clean slate design, created by some very knowledgeable engineers that have seen alot of different rifles and seem to have picked what they felt were the best and put it all in a package that could be effectively produced on modern machinery and get past the accountants.

The materials are every bit as good, dare I say it, better then the generic Rem 700 SPS. The manf from the new Kentucky plant is miles ahead of what has been coming from NY. I hope that all Rem 700's will start coming out of this KY plant.... they are doing it right out of this plant.

Yes, the Rem 783 doesn't show well in a store ... such a horrible bolt knob that feels terrible when you work the action. But that is easily removed. The trigger is decent but often has creep. A bit of a tune up and it breaks like any quality trigger like a Timney. Change out the crappy firing pin spring for a Rem SA Wolff and ignition is spot on. A bit of polishing and it runs very well.

The only way to know, is to spend some time with it. I got one cause I was bored and Cdn Tire had them on sale and Rem was doing a rebate. I was so impressed, I got a 2nd. I don't sell them so why bother???? Cause every now and then, you come across a product that exceeds your expectations ... the Stevens was my first, the Rem XR100 is another.

Who knows if the Rem 783 will catch on??? Don't care, I am enjoying mine... and I have a mega dollar custom titanium FTR action on one of my rigs so have dived head deep into the fancy stuff.

Over the last decade, with the huge number of reports success stories wrt to prefit barrels, thought that fear/misunderstanding would have subsided? Guess not. With newer CNC manf, the product keeps getting better. Couple that to actions designed from the ground up to take advantage of them, you have a very accurate combo that is also affordable and end user friendly. The number of barrel makers making prefits grows each year... somebody has to be buying them.

I see a number of custom action makers are also adjusting their actions to accomodate the Savage dimensioned prefit. I am sure they aren't doing this to make a lesser product???

Anyways, if you don't like the prefit, so be it. In my business, I support both and use both in competition... eenie meenie. It's all good... I have happy customers using both.

I have access to Rem 700s and all the custom clones, Savage SA's, Tikka's, pretty much anything I want. Why the heck would I bother with this entry level "hunting" rifle?

Interesting questions isn't it.....

Jerry

this. its right, and the truth.
 
I think you misunderstood my post. I did not say the 783 was at the bottom of the list, I said that the rifle action (choice) itself is or should be at the bottom of the list.

The basic and established stuff works, and all you are doing is promoting something based on some perceived advantages that will leave a new shooter scouring the internet for accessories that don't exist.

Pointing out that the 783 feeds well out of an AICS pattern magazine is meaningless. Remington 700 and clones feed perfectly and always have. The whole AICS pattern was designed around them.

I have handled and shot a 783 and they offer nothing above a 700 or a 10 in practical terms for a PRS rig (and neither does a Defiance or Surgeon btw), while having the disadvantage of no available triggers or turn-key stocks/chassis that are suitable for PRS.

You like to tinker and experiment, and that's great. Lots of new things get developed that way, but anybody jumping into PRS would have to really go out of their way to find a worse choice to start out with than a 783.

I would suggest that anything in the same price range is a worse choice. I would go as far as to say that anything costing a couple hundred more would be a worse choice. yes there is more support for the 700 platform and for the Savage in various forms at this time, but that's it.

but hey, its great that we all like different things. it would be no fun if everyone drove the same van/car/truck, lived in a BC Box(very common split level house) and wore the same clothes too.
 
I would suggest that anything in the same price range is a worse choice. I would go as far as to say that anything costing a couple hundred more would be a worse choice. yes there is more support for the 700 platform and for the Savage in various forms at this time, but that's it.

but hey, its great that we all like different things. it would be no fun if everyone drove the same van/car/truck, lived in a BC Box(very common split level house) and wore the same clothes too.
Yes. Like the folks that build a "sleeper" car for the fun and challenge.
 
I think you misunderstood my post. I did not say the 783 was at the bottom of the list, I said that the rifle action (choice) itself is or should be at the bottom of the list.

The basic and established stuff works, and all you are doing is promoting something based on some perceived advantages that will leave a new shooter scouring the internet for accessories that don't exist.

Pointing out that the 783 feeds well out of an AICS pattern magazine is meaningless. Remington 700 and clones feed perfectly and always have. The whole AICS pattern was designed around them.

I have handled and shot a 783 and they offer nothing above a 700 or a 10 in practical terms for a PRS rig (and neither does a Defiance or Surgeon btw), while having the disadvantage of no available triggers or turn-key stocks/chassis that are suitable for PRS.

You like to tinker and experiment, and that's great. Lots of new things get developed that way, but anybody jumping into PRS would have to really go out of their way to find a worse choice to start out with than a 783.

Ever see a case fall back into the action instead of being ejected positively?

Have a blown primer grenade a trigger?

Figure out how to swap a trigger during a match using a punch while balancing a barreled receiver on your knees? and then loose that oh so important spring?

Have a bit of dirt crawl under the extractor rendering it useless?

Have to readjust the bolt handle and/or baffle to get some degree of primary extraction?

Have a bolt stop moving when the mag is rested on?

Have to take a bolt out of an action to eject a cartridge longer then 2.9"?

Poor lug contact?

Cratering primers leading to other wonderful issues?

and the list goes on.....

There are reasons shooters buy custom actions and that is mainly to fix the problems inherent in the design and/or manf of the popular receivers. All of this improvement comes at a very real cost $$$$

What if an action solved many, if not most of the common problems, cost next to nothing AND had just enough parts to make a suitable rig?

by the way, the Rem 783 trigger is easily tuned to break very cleanly and the adjustment will drop to a very useable pull weight... and it doesn't skip when you hammer that bolt shut.

Would there be enough interest to get the aftermarket rolling? The difference between having a suitable chassis and not, is simply enough shooters asking for a few key strokes to incorporate a CAD file already in the manf system. When chassis makers start offering product for Brownings, yeah, anything is possible.

When shooters understood what the Savage action could do for them, sales drove the aftermarket. yep, a classic chicken and egg question... demand creates parts.

What if a shooter could have a functionally competitive rig for under $2000? how many more shooters would join the PRS ranks?

Right now, many suggest the cost of admission is what... $5 to 12K. That takes a whole pile of interested shooters out of the game.

I totally get that there isn't a wide range of parts for the Rem 783 now.. BUT there is enough to get a serviceable rig for little money. Good? Bad? .... if it gets more shooters into the game, then it is a good thing.

YMMV

Jerry
 
What if a shooter could have a functionally competitive rig for under $2000? how many more shooters would join the PRS ranks?

Right now, many suggest the cost of admission is what... $5 to 12K. That takes a whole pile of interested shooters out of the game.

I totally get that there isn't a wide range of parts for the Rem 783 now.. BUT there is enough to get a serviceable rig for little money. Good? Bad? .... if it gets more shooters into the game, then it is a good thing.

YMMV

Jerry

Dude, you are trying to smash a square peg in a round hole, and re-invent a solution for a problem where solutions already exist.

You want a more affordable rig for PRS? Get a Tikka CTR, Ruger RPR, Bergara, MPA, Seekins is coming out with an affordable PRS type rig in the future, etc., etc., etc. - all of which have aftermarket support.

When we have all these options that are already affordable, work great for their task, and have lots of aftermarket support, why are we trying to make a sleeper out of an action footprint that isn't supported? Sure, the action perhaps may be superior to the remington 700 action (I'm not going to agree or disagree here, I really couldn't care less), but its a moot point as nobody is going to develop aftermarket parts for it because there is no business case to do so.

People who actually shoot PRS see how fruitless this is. Your trying to accomplish something that has already been accomplished, and already has aftermarket support. Nobody is going to start creating aftermarket support for the 783 for PRS type shooting because some guy named Jerry Teo up in Canada, who's never shot a PRS match or a PRS type match, says its the tits for PRS and people should be using it.
 
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I also want to add that it is one thing to go out and experiment, and be different than everyone else. It's quite another to mislead people who may not know any better, and get them into a rig which has no aftermarket support. There is plenty of quality budget friendly PRS options, that have plenty of aftermarket support.

You are doing a big disservice to people who want to get into PRS shooting, thinking that the 783 is their best option.
 
Ever see a case fall back into the action instead of being ejected positively?

Have a blown primer grenade a trigger?

Figure out how to swap a trigger during a match using a punch while balancing a barreled receiver on your knees? and then loose that oh so important spring?

Have a bit of dirt crawl under the extractor rendering it useless?

Have to readjust the bolt handle and/or baffle to get some degree of primary extraction?

Have a bolt stop moving when the mag is rested on?

Have to take a bolt out of an action to eject a cartridge longer then 2.9"?

Poor lug contact?

Cratering primers leading to other wonderful issues?

and the list goes on.....

Sorry, you won't get far with me trying to vilify the 700. By rough count I've fired around 1350 rounds in PRS/RTC matches alone this year without a failure on an A serial numbered 700 with the dreaded riveted extractor. My partner also shoots an RR serial numbered 700 with no issues either.

They feed, fire, and eject as they were designed.


What if a shooter could have a functionally competitive rig for under $2000? how many more shooters would join the PRS ranks?

Right now, many suggest the cost of admission is what... $5 to 12K. That takes a whole pile of interested shooters out of the game.

This is an easy one.

6.5 Creedmoor barreled 700 action from any number of site sponsors $625
Timney Calvin Elite $250
Stock/chassis - take your pick but for $$, nothing will come close for value to the new KRG Bravo for $350, Canadian street price $550? Integrated AICS mag well, adjustable, forend rigged for accessories. First inlet will be for Rem700 short (just saying)

I did not include a brake, mags, or optics obviously because they are the same whether you buy a GA Precision or a Savage Axis.

There you go, $1425 for a rifle that would win matches anywhere. Implying that a new shooter is faced with the choice of a 783 or a $5k-$12k custom is just silly.
 
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