Rem700 receivers

I should have specified "side-by-side of extractor types". I realize the 2nd is a completely different action type - that's not really what I was asking - I just wanted to see the 2 different extractor types.

How about the Stiller? Should someone let him know that his actions are unsafe? Or are those ones fine. I don't have mine in front of me, otherwise I could probably figure that one out.
 
I'm with Guntech on this one. With literally a hundred or more 700's passing through my hands since 1963, I have had exactly two failures, one was caused by sloppy gunsmithing, the other broke at the rivet. Both were replaced and worked fine thereafter. The integrity of the 700 action is best left uncompromised. The system works as it was designed, and works well. I had an acquaintance who overcharged his 22-250, and on firing the bolt was siezed solid. A 2x4 and a few fairly solid whacks opened the bolt, and the case was extracted by that Remington extractor. The case had a "belt" on it, and the primer pocked was about 1½ times it's normal diameter. The bolt had to be replaced on this rifle, but it saved him from any serious consequences. I'm a believer! Regards, Eagleye.
 
do any of you guys know if a older style rem riveted extractor can be upgraded to the newer style drop in? i think the bolt recess that the extractor sits in is a little different is it not? it is just that my bolt is at the smiths as we speak to get a sako, i can stop this if i act fast. my ext, is riveted but it failed just the other day at a shoot and i was not impressed. if a guy had the drop in style at least i could just clip a new one in there.
 
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On closing the Sako, the long piece of steel rotates and positions behind the extractor. This is never installed on the 700 conversions...
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Thank you guntech, you really made you point here. But why don't we go back to a main topic of this tread. I wanted to discuss all option available to accuracy-obsessed fella especially if he specifically want to base his next rig on AI chassis. Yesterday, "Ice-Pick" pointed out to me (thank you!) that there is an alternative road to purchasing new rem - Barnard Precision from Australia makes SM action that is already blueprinted, has sako extractor and is build better and tougher than rem700. But the best part is that it has all external dimensions of rem700 action!!! I do not know a price yet (sent them an email just today in the morning) but I think it is going to be about $1K. What do you guys think about it?
 
There are other actions that have essentially the same external dimensions as the Remington - the RPA Quadlite and the Surgeon.
IF your friend buys a nice used rifle for its action, and then pays a professional to "blueprint" the action, a custom action is not necessarily that much more than the Remington.
 
tetan said:
Thank you guntech, you really made you point here. But why don't we go back to a main topic of this tread. I wanted to discuss all option available to accuracy-obsessed fella especially if he specifically want to base his next rig on AI chassis. Yesterday, "Ice-Pick" pointed out to me (thank you!) that there is an alternative road to purchasing new rem - Barnard Precision from Australia makes SM action that is already blueprinted, has sako extractor and is build better and tougher than rem700. But the best part is that it has all external dimensions of rem700 action!!! I do not know a price yet (sent them an email just today in the morning) but I think it is going to be about $1K. What do you guys think about it?
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It's a beautiful action, 3 lugs... I recently barreled one. It would even be nicer if they came with their own bottom metal and a trigger... I think the bare action is $1100 or so... a trued 700 action can be had for considerably less... but the custom actions are beauts.

http://www.robertsoncomposites.com/htmlfiles800/pricesCDN.pdf
 
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tiriaq said:
There are other actions that have essentially the same external dimensions as the Remington - the RPA Quadlite and the Surgeon.
IF your friend buys a nice used rifle for its action, and then pays a professional to "blueprint" the action, a custom action is not necessarily that much more than the Remington.
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He has $4K budget and can afford to go with slightly better then used action.

Ok, he will drop $1k on AI chassis, $800 on barrel, he already has several Jewells sitting in his drover,... so it leaves him with $2.2K to burn on action, flooring, mag and rail. It would be difficult to go with Surgeon and stay within $2.2K but with Barnard SM he is going to be fine. Obviously it is all IMHO.

PS. Surgeon actions just ruined my day. It is an art! Are they available in Canada?
 
So :rolleyes: I'm guessing that IF I don't get my Remmy bolts modified with SAKO extractors, my #### will fall off ? :evil:

I'm sorry, I just could not resist.

Guntech,

Thanks a whole bunch for de-mystifying this bunk about spending more money needlessly on a perceived problem. Sounds like many people have more money than shooting experience, skills, or logic. :rolleyes:

Mighty nice of you to remind people NOT to spend their after tax dollars on a 'whim'. :D

Peace be to journey,
Barney
 
So I'm guessing that IF I don't get my Remmy bolts modified with SAKO extractors, my #### will fall off ?
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So if you have a sako extractor installed,you will have a gun failure and your face will be blown off?:runaway:

I guess that I have just been lucky for over 20 years and six sako conversions.:rolleyes:

Either that,or I have simply loaded within the safe limits for my guns and components.:D

Sounds like many people have more money than shooting experience, skills, or logic.
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Yes I guess that 40 years of shooting,owning dozens of firearms and firing many thousands of rounds just doesn't compare to your vast experience,skills or logic?
 
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stubblejumper: I hear ya. And you are right. I'm coming from the Black rifle and Battle rifle forums where people are running around spending all kinds of money needlessly and I'm trying to save them money. And then when I'm running the Service Rifle matches many of the bling'ed up M4's don't come out to test their shooting skills. That's the context !

Peace be to journey,
Barney
 
tetan said:
He has $4K budget and can afford to go with slightly better then used action.

Ok, he will drop $1k on AI chassis, $800 on barrel, he already has several Jewells sitting in his drover,... so it leaves him with $2.2K to burn on action, flooring, mag and rail. It would be difficult to go with Surgeon and stay within $2.2K but with Barnard SM he is going to be fine. Obviously it is all IMHO.

PS. Surgeon actions just ruined my day. It is an art! Are they available in Canada?
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Surgeon actions use 700 sytyle extractors which I find interesting
 
Smart move on their part...

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tetan said:
Thank you guntech, you really made you point here. But why don't we go back to a main topic of this tread. I wanted to discuss all option available to accuracy-obsessed fella especially if he specifically want to base his next rig on AI chassis. Yesterday, "Ice-Pick" pointed out to me (thank you!) that there is an alternative road to purchasing new rem - Barnard Precision from Australia makes SM action that is already blueprinted, has sako extractor and is build better and tougher than rem700. But the best part is that it has all external dimensions of rem700 action!!! I do not know a price yet (sent them an email just today in the morning) but I think it is going to be about $1K. What do you guys think about it?
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Ian Robertson sells his Barnard actions with trigger for $1246 which is cheaper than my trued XR-100 action after all is said and done, then again, the Barnard does not come with a stock either. Then you have to add trigger guard and recoil lug (Around $100) as well.

I know Mick McPhee does not like putting Sako extractors in Rem bolts either for the same reasons Guntech mentioned.
 
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I guess I'm not getting an answer because either Guntech does not know what a Stiller Predator looks like or he does not want to slight Stiller by saying his actions are unsafe.

I'll say this: after examining my own Predator action, I can see no functional difference between it and a Remington 700 with the modified Sako extractor.
 
stubblejumper - no reason for you to be offended. You obviously are an experienced shooter who made informed decisions, knowing the implications. Your loading and ammunition selection practices are obviously such that you will never experience a casehead failure. You are also right handed, no doubt. If you ever sell your rifles, it will be to someone equally well equipped to make informed choices.
Hungry is right. Often these conversions are done because it is thought to be a stylish thing to do, its kewl, and is thought to prevent #### loss.
 
It would be

looch said:
I guess I'm not getting an answer because either Guntech does not know what a Stiller Predator looks like or he does not want to slight Stiller by saying his actions are unsafe.

I'll say this: after examining my own Predator action, I can see no functional difference between it and a Remington 700 with the modified Sako extractor.
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hard to answer that question unless one were to see a few pics of a unbarreled receiver to see the layout.

You have to remember that custom built actions are far better built, and use better metal than the majority of off the shelf rifles.

If Jerry Stiller thought there were a issue with his actions I HIGHLY DOUBT he would be selling them.

Can you say LAWSUIT.
 
The Stiller action is also available with the Remington extractor. Can you guess which style would be stronger and safer...

There are many custom actions using a small claw type extractor... and most custom actions are also made to closer tolerances than mass produced factory rifles.

The diameter of the bolt body in 3 lug actions blocks the shrapnel quite well. At least in the ones I have seen.

I am more concerned with the 700 conversion... the fact that a lot of people do it thinking it is somehow better... and not understanding the superb design of the 700 is then totally compromised.

An informed choice...
 
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The point is that it is available with the sako extractor.If this is so unsafe,why would it even be offered?
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Can you read....?

I am more concerned with the 700 conversion... the fact that a lot of people do it thinking it is somehow better... and not understanding the superb design of the 700 is then totally compromised.

An informed choice...
 
Can you read....?

I am more concerned with the 700 conversion... the fact that a lot of people do it thinking it is somehow better... and not understanding the superb design of the 700 is then totally compromised.
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I can read just fine,but I can also see that you don't have an answer for why the Stiller action is available with the sako extractor,so you are avoiding having to answer the question.If the 700 action becomes such a bad design once the sako extractor is installed,then the Stiller action with the sako extractor would also be a bad design.
 
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