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I've been toying with the idea of purchasing a heavy barreled, long range rifle for probably 5 years now and have finally settled on what I think will be a great entry rifle for me. Not too expensive, plain Jane, no frills and an out-of-the-box shooter out to the distances I would like to shoot. Some background of my criteria:
1 - NOT tactical. I'm not SAS, Spec Ops or any of that... I just have fun shooting my M39 and Mauser K98 out to 500 yards with irons and I'd like even more to stretch it past that with the addition of a great rifle and some good glass. I may eventually put it into an AI stock, but for now I'm content with the HS stock on it. Good cheek weld and long enough for my lanky frame.
2 - Not looking for anything more than to hit a 24" plate at 1000 yards and be 1 MOA at 200-300 yards. It's going to be a plinker unless I get serious about it in which case it may get some goodies.
3 - Not a hunting rifle/target rifle/safe queen. It needs to do ONE thing for me and it needs to do it well.
4 - Chambered in .308. I will be once firing factory ammo to get the brass I will use for reloading and working loads. .308 factory match ammo is relatively cheap in the long range calibers and with the availability of 175gr bullets for the 5R rifling in this rifle I should be able to work up a great load for the barrel and the distance I want.
5 - Be reliable, fairly low maintenance (SS) and easy to obtain aftermarket parts for if I require.
6 - Non-magazine fed. Drop floor plate.
So, all that being said I finally stumbled across the Rem 700 5R after looking at just about every single 1000 yard capable .308 that every manufacturer has to offer. I searched for info here on CGN after reading a WEALTH of info on google searches about this rifle and I'm sold on it now. I couldn't find much on CGN about it, though, which is why I am making this thread. I may have a line on one here on the EE, but if not I will wait for Gordon at MilArm to track me one down and bring it in. I've handled the rifle so I know it's a fit for me already versus a lot of the others I just didn't like. My eye came up short or tall on almost everything else and the ones that didn't were MUCH out of my price range or just a LOT more than what I wanted in a rifle for this purpose. I really don't wanna be that guy that shows up at Homestead with an $8000 setup and can't shoot worth a sh!t, lol!
I'll be glassing it with a Nightforce 12-42x56 or 8-32x56 as I don't really intend on shooting it much under 200 yards except maybe for load testing. The scope is also in my realm of affordability and has the features I want on it. Other than I don't think I'll do too much to the rifle other than shoot and enjoy it! I'm not a new shooter, just still new to long distance shooting even after 5 years of research. Please pardon any newbish things I might say as I'm not in the-know about every little detail yet. Yes, I do hand-load, but only for my 8mm's. .308 will be a new world for me I think as I only load one load for my 8mm because I know it works and I stick to it. Learning how to work up a .308 load and find the node that my rifle likes the best is a whole different thread and isn't part of what I'm asking here really, but any input is appreciated.
I'll be using an older Bushnell 20-60x60 spotting scope that my dad has had for decades unless it's not enough (won't know until I hit the backwoods this spring when the rifle arrives). Also picked up a fairly decent 1600m range finder that I can use to help with my calcs when I am re-positioning. I don't plan on shooting from one spot all the time. Half the reason I want to shoot long distance is because of the math involved and challenge of cold-boring something that far away when you get it all right,
I have the mountains in my backyard so the options are endless. Elevation changes, distance changes, weather, etc.
The few questions I have are as follows:
1. - How are the triggers in these particular Remingtons? I've never owned a Remington action before and I've not shot many I liked, but I know a lot of guys that swear by the 700 in it's many forms. Are the triggers actually adjustable or are they like the Marlin interpretation of adjustable? If they are garbage I will drop a Jewel or Timney in it and go from there. Looking for 3lbs or so pull weight.
2. - Best factory ammo brass? Can anyone say which ammo provides better brass to get once-fired from? Remington? Federal? Or should I just buy Lapua brass, load 5% over minimum, once-fire and then work up a load after?
3. - If the Nightforce isn't your choice of 1000 yard glass, what is and why? Keep in mind that the $2000 mark is roughly what I intend to spend give or take $500 unless something a bit more is really worth it to a beginner/newb. Also, any and all input on retical choice is severly welcome. The only "real" scope I have is on my hunting rifle which is a BDC. I don't generally shoot over 200 yards with it though as I hunt in the woods. Hard to see the forest for trees, lol!
4. - Best bipod for prone shooting? I have a Bog Pod that I can use for everything, but I'd like a dedicated bipod for this rifle mostly for range/bench work and analyzing loads. I know it's not as good as a heavy locking bench rest, but if I can hit a 4L washer jug consistently at 500 yards with Mosin and irons I'm pretty sure I can do my part with a bipod and rear sand bag. I've never considered a bipod for any of my rifles before so I'm totally clueless about bipods and which brands are good and adjustability, etc etc... please, enlighten me!!!
Cheers and thanks in advance for any positive input that might help me from spending $$$ on stuff I don't need, etc.
Joe
I've been toying with the idea of purchasing a heavy barreled, long range rifle for probably 5 years now and have finally settled on what I think will be a great entry rifle for me. Not too expensive, plain Jane, no frills and an out-of-the-box shooter out to the distances I would like to shoot. Some background of my criteria:
1 - NOT tactical. I'm not SAS, Spec Ops or any of that... I just have fun shooting my M39 and Mauser K98 out to 500 yards with irons and I'd like even more to stretch it past that with the addition of a great rifle and some good glass. I may eventually put it into an AI stock, but for now I'm content with the HS stock on it. Good cheek weld and long enough for my lanky frame.
2 - Not looking for anything more than to hit a 24" plate at 1000 yards and be 1 MOA at 200-300 yards. It's going to be a plinker unless I get serious about it in which case it may get some goodies.
3 - Not a hunting rifle/target rifle/safe queen. It needs to do ONE thing for me and it needs to do it well.
4 - Chambered in .308. I will be once firing factory ammo to get the brass I will use for reloading and working loads. .308 factory match ammo is relatively cheap in the long range calibers and with the availability of 175gr bullets for the 5R rifling in this rifle I should be able to work up a great load for the barrel and the distance I want.
5 - Be reliable, fairly low maintenance (SS) and easy to obtain aftermarket parts for if I require.
6 - Non-magazine fed. Drop floor plate.
So, all that being said I finally stumbled across the Rem 700 5R after looking at just about every single 1000 yard capable .308 that every manufacturer has to offer. I searched for info here on CGN after reading a WEALTH of info on google searches about this rifle and I'm sold on it now. I couldn't find much on CGN about it, though, which is why I am making this thread. I may have a line on one here on the EE, but if not I will wait for Gordon at MilArm to track me one down and bring it in. I've handled the rifle so I know it's a fit for me already versus a lot of the others I just didn't like. My eye came up short or tall on almost everything else and the ones that didn't were MUCH out of my price range or just a LOT more than what I wanted in a rifle for this purpose. I really don't wanna be that guy that shows up at Homestead with an $8000 setup and can't shoot worth a sh!t, lol!
I'll be glassing it with a Nightforce 12-42x56 or 8-32x56 as I don't really intend on shooting it much under 200 yards except maybe for load testing. The scope is also in my realm of affordability and has the features I want on it. Other than I don't think I'll do too much to the rifle other than shoot and enjoy it! I'm not a new shooter, just still new to long distance shooting even after 5 years of research. Please pardon any newbish things I might say as I'm not in the-know about every little detail yet. Yes, I do hand-load, but only for my 8mm's. .308 will be a new world for me I think as I only load one load for my 8mm because I know it works and I stick to it. Learning how to work up a .308 load and find the node that my rifle likes the best is a whole different thread and isn't part of what I'm asking here really, but any input is appreciated.
I'll be using an older Bushnell 20-60x60 spotting scope that my dad has had for decades unless it's not enough (won't know until I hit the backwoods this spring when the rifle arrives). Also picked up a fairly decent 1600m range finder that I can use to help with my calcs when I am re-positioning. I don't plan on shooting from one spot all the time. Half the reason I want to shoot long distance is because of the math involved and challenge of cold-boring something that far away when you get it all right,
The few questions I have are as follows:
1. - How are the triggers in these particular Remingtons? I've never owned a Remington action before and I've not shot many I liked, but I know a lot of guys that swear by the 700 in it's many forms. Are the triggers actually adjustable or are they like the Marlin interpretation of adjustable? If they are garbage I will drop a Jewel or Timney in it and go from there. Looking for 3lbs or so pull weight.
2. - Best factory ammo brass? Can anyone say which ammo provides better brass to get once-fired from? Remington? Federal? Or should I just buy Lapua brass, load 5% over minimum, once-fire and then work up a load after?
3. - If the Nightforce isn't your choice of 1000 yard glass, what is and why? Keep in mind that the $2000 mark is roughly what I intend to spend give or take $500 unless something a bit more is really worth it to a beginner/newb. Also, any and all input on retical choice is severly welcome. The only "real" scope I have is on my hunting rifle which is a BDC. I don't generally shoot over 200 yards with it though as I hunt in the woods. Hard to see the forest for trees, lol!
4. - Best bipod for prone shooting? I have a Bog Pod that I can use for everything, but I'd like a dedicated bipod for this rifle mostly for range/bench work and analyzing loads. I know it's not as good as a heavy locking bench rest, but if I can hit a 4L washer jug consistently at 500 yards with Mosin and irons I'm pretty sure I can do my part with a bipod and rear sand bag. I've never considered a bipod for any of my rifles before so I'm totally clueless about bipods and which brands are good and adjustability, etc etc... please, enlighten me!!!
Cheers and thanks in advance for any positive input that might help me from spending $$$ on stuff I don't need, etc.
Joe
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