Request: lightweight 'survival rifle'.

I understand that you don't like .410 MBP, but if someone could come up with a cheap short break action shotgun that could shoot the 410 rifle cartridge
ww w.hoeningbigboresouth.com/ and 410 shotshell it would make a world of difference.

Big game and small game plus you could have an insert for .22.

Lightweight and compact , but to be able to shoot the hoening cartridge it has to have a tight tolerance. I wonder if H&R could come up withtheir survivor model tailored for this round?

Anyway we cold always dream of the perfect one it will never satisfied everyone!
 
manbearpig said:
i want a break action because:

1. its bombproof
2. single shot is perfectly fine
3. will cycle any ammo
4. gain about 4-5" of barrel length over a comparable semi or bolt action
5. inherently takedown (usually)
6. lighter

as for .410 - id much rather have a .22. i guess im the only person on earth that doesnt think the .410 is some uber survival/self-defense/SHTF/multipurpose round :)i have zero interest in a .410. 20 gauge is much more interesting.
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No - no you're not. However I'd take the .22WMR over the LR version any day of the week (yeah I know it costs more but you can get - or make - adapters to shoot LR out of the WMR chamber)...
 
im happy with .22LR: you have the benefit of low-power, quiet ammo like CBs all the way up to stingers/velocitors. i have not been impressed by the lack of ammo selection for .22WMR.

potentially stupid question of the day:
if you have a .22LR break action, wouldnt it simply be a matter of having your gunsmith rechamber it to .22WMR?
 
manbearpig said:
im happy with .22LR: you have the benefit of low-power, quiet ammo like CBs all the way up to stingers/velocitors. i have not been impressed by the lack of ammo selection for .22WMR.

potentially stupid question of the day:
if you have a .22LR break action, wouldnt it simply be a matter of having your gunsmith rechamber it to .22WMR?
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Not a stupid question at all, and it's really not a gunsmith job either. I obtained a spare .22LR barrel for my oldest boy's NEF Versa-Pack .22/410 combo9 and rechambered it with a WMR finishing reamer - took about 15 minutes taking my time. I've also opened up one chamber in the LR cylinder of one of my Single-Sixes...

The lack of selection is really no big deal. I have half a dozen .22 Mags, 2 handguns and 4 rifles (including the NEF) and have settled on the W-W 40 gr FMJ and JHP for the majority of my usage with a supply of the CCI .22WRF 45 gr FN for meat collection with minimal damage and a couple of bricks of CCI 30 gr GDHP if I need to blow something up. Plus with the LR barrel for the NEF I still have the option of cheap plinking/practice...


blake
 
manbearpig said:
im happy with .22LR: you have the benefit of low-power, quiet ammo like CBs all the way up to stingers/velocitors. i have not been impressed by the lack of ammo selection for .22WMR.

potentially stupid question of the day:
if you have a .22LR break action, wouldnt it simply be a matter of having your gunsmith rechamber it to .22WMR?
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It could be rechambered but there is about .003'' difference (.221 for lr and .224 for wmr) between ideal bore diameters for each round, the ruger single six splits the difference and a lot of people think that hurts the accuracy of both.
 
You know, I was looking at your list of requirements. The stevens favorite (falling block 22) meets them dead on.

If someone convinced them to make that gun with a 16 inch barrel, and synthetic (preferably fiberglass) furniture with a shortened LOP, it would take down small, be dead reliable, and probably come in a little under 4 lbs. That action also comes in both 22lr and 22mag (although i don't think there is currently a takedown in 22 mag).

There is a thread in the hunting forum where savage is asking about rifle ideas. I bet if they made this one along with some sort of light carry case and marketed it as a survival rifle it would sell like hotcakes. Its not like they would have to retool to put this one out there.

Or we could see if Canam could have it made in China :). It would be hard to compete with a company already tooled up to make them though.
 
with regards to the short Stevens falling block: the TC HotShot is 90% there already, and with (hopefully) decent sights. plus its cheap at $200.

*wrings hands*
hoping that the one i ordered isnt a dud - if it doesnt have plastic sights, i can make it takedown somehow, and i dont have any reliability issues i will be as happy as a pig in sh*t.
 
425$ us

There was talk to import them but there was not a lot of interest in the forum, to expensive or gimmicky ...

I for one would have liked to try it.
 
I am not sure how I can do that for you or I would.

Basically its a tiny little .22 that is not much more than a barrel, receiver and pipe stock. The action is simiar to that of the bronco in that it is a single shot that swings to the side to load.

The entire rifle weighs 16 OUNCES and has a 16" barrel. Taken down, it almost looks like two tent pole sections and a harmonica sized block of metal.

If I remember corretly now, the guy in the video mentions that the receiver is titanium at some point. Maybe it was in the comments though. The receiver just looks like aluminum to me... Who knows.

I'd definitely like more info on this gun.

Its called the Pak-Rifle.
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The manufacturer's website is http://www.packrifle.com/

Its got some hokey addons like a flashlight and laser on the website. But there is actually a fishing pole add-on that is slightly interesting.

A few of our dealers will import one off guns for a fee. I think I am going to test their services out...
 
from the website...

The Pack-Rifle is a light weight, take-down, utility rifle. The receiver, and most other parts, of the Pack-Rifle are machined from high strength aluminum, while most wear parts and fasteners are constructed of stainless steel. The barrel is a precision button rifled, Cro-Moly liner with a carbon fiber composite outer. Carbon fiber is also used for the butt stock tube of the rifle. This construction makes the Pack-Rifle not only the lightest rifle out there, but very weather resistant also. In addition to being light, the Pack-Rifle also takes down to a very small size. The same mechanism that allows the loading and extraction of spent shells also enables the rifle to take down into two pieces, in less that 2 seconds and without tools. It reassembles just as fast. Other features include, but are not limited to, storage in the handle and butt stock tube of the rifle. Please see our accessories page for a list of available options.


Pack-Rifle Specifications



Weight:

15.5 oz



OAL:

33"



Take-Down Length:

17"



Width:

7/8"



Height:

4"



Caliber:

.22LR



Sights:

Adjustabe Peep



MSRP:

$425.00*
 
^not bad, although a little too 'Day of the Jackal' for my tastes :)
still going to stick with the HotShot for less than 1/2 the cost, perhaps even 1/3 after importing the other one to Canada.
for that kindof money id just put it towards an M6 Scout. to think i used to laugh at people paying $500 for these. sigh.
 
manbearpig said:
with regards to the short Stevens falling block: the TC HotShot is 90% there already, and with (hopefully) decent sights. plus its cheap at $200.

*wrings hands*
hoping that the one i ordered isnt a dud - if it doesnt have plastic sights, i can make it takedown somehow, and i dont have any reliability issues i will be as happy as a pig in sh*t.
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A forum member was selling some really old Stevens .44xl shotguns with a falling block action. He said they were registered due to research issues with the serial # ranges. It would have been an interesting 'conversion' to say .38 Special (instant rook rifle), but still a little too heavy. ;)
 
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