If i was setup with this kind of rig, i would trigger lock all my firearms, i like removing all the possible doubts, past history have showned that interpretation will always be part of the equation.
The big vault that weight 800 pounds with 10 X 1.25 inch thick steel pins will probably close the discussion.
Because i dont like to trigger lock my firearms and i like my ammo in the same vault.
But this is just me.
Funny that you want to remove all possible doubts, but then will settle for a solution that will only 'probably' close the discussion.
Well it's not above the law but pretty much on par with the law, my sister and her husband are both lawyer, i got them to check all the storage laws in the FA and according to them this is the closest you can get to be troublefree with this setup. Just saying, peace of mind is priority one, anyone choose their way, i chosen mine.
Actually, by your own words, its above the law, because just in case. Are your sister and her husband good lawyers? Because if they did a case law search and didn't find R v Barnes, then you should get back whatever money you paid them. Its not like there is a long list of storage related judgements to read through and get confused by.
That ruling was clear. There is no legal difference between what you call a vault or a safe, and a stack-on firearms lockers. If you believe you need a trigger lock in one, then you need a trigger lock in the other, because legally, they are the same. Further, if you think its EXTRA safe to use trigger locks in a stack-on, then logically it would also be EXTRA safe to use trigger locks in whatever you want to call a 'safe'. If you actually want to remove all doubts and all. WHy not store all of your firearms in accordance with the rules for prohibited firearms while you are at it, just to be extra extra safe.
IN all honesty there is no way to be 100% secure against frivolous charges, even if you give up gun ownership altogether. Its par for the course.
Who's the name of that guy who got charged because some thieves spent a few days working on opening his safe to steal his guns?
Mike Hargraves, not famous cause he got charged. He is famous because he apparently refused to appear at trial, and was deemed 'on the run' and his absence at court was used to draw negative inferences against him, which resulted in his case dragging out well beyond all proportion to the alleged crime. Had he of quickly lawyered up and came back to Canada to answer the charge the first time it would have been dismissed in the first five minutes and no one would have known his name.
The criminal justice system won't just leave you alone if you try to take your ball and go home. That's the lesson that should be learned from the Hargraves affair.
Every court ruling sets a precedent, so it matters, yes.
According to the internet, there was no ruling in the Hargraves case. The crown finally withdrew the charges. Which wouldn't have taken them 8 years to do if Hargraves had of just shown up.
Hargraves is still an active member of the forum under his own name. Between that and his very public presence as an advanced firearms instructor, you need to wonder how it was that criminals knew which house to look in and that spending two days tearing apart his safes would have been worth while.
It never went to trial, so we will never know, but I suspect there is a lot more to that story than whats been made public so far.
