Review of PolyTech M14 2009 Series (Ellwood Epps) $ 529 Black Synth Stock

t-star said:
i'd sure like to see what the HEADSPACING is like- i know it varies from gun to gun, but it would be nice for us reloaders to have the long monkey gone

Hungry here: I hear you about the reloading concerns for I have been here for so long. Bolt slop can roughly indicate potential headspace dimension. Most of the Norc's I've been mic'ing(fired brass) have measured around 10 thou. Just as a point of reference: the USGI M14's I've owned (4 of them) mic'ed around 14 thou to 17 thou. :eek: I'm predicting with a SWAG (Scientific Wild assed guess) that these Poly M14's will mic around 10 thou ALSO! Many of the 2007 series Norc M14's wer mic'ing around 6 thou to 8 thou... No joking! Like I said, the Politburo Kommissar Teacher in the Zhinese High School Grade 9 shop class is slowly getting their feces together and improving QC.

Back to the reloading... I just neck sized and loaded from the magazine platform to avoid any slam fires. Problem solved. Your #### loss may vary. :rolleyes:
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Hungry quote of the year!!!
 
i'm really looking at getting a few more to " replace" my usgi safe queens, ( all i'm missing is a winchester) but haven't as i can't stand the chewy wood stock- now these come along with their psuedo- fiberglas stocks at a resonable price, are readily available for now( there'll probably a few on the e&e for more than retail in about 6 months- what's up with that- wish i could do that to my 15 year old clunker, but i digress) - i got scopes, slings, magazines, and bipods for all of them- and a couple of bayonets- i know when the next round of letters come down from the liberals, they're going to target all us 12(3) owners,and send nwest around to collect them- i just don't want all the "accessories " to go with- as they will - they won't allow time for us to strip the guns-so the chinese are the only game in town short of building one up
 
A quick question Hungry, are the oprod guides tight as well? Or do they need peening? It wasn't specifically mentioned (unless I missed it). Also, you said the gas system is good- is there a marked difference vs. a 2007 norc as in "don't bother shimming it" (I know unitizing and shimming is the way to go for competition, but is it less sloppy than the norc or the same?)

Hungry here: Yes the op rod guide was tight on the 2 Poly M14's I've inspected. Typical thin walled roll pin likely from the Norinco M14 part supplier, but it's triple staked on both sides. zxcvbn's Poly M14 was so tight that I told him NOT to shim the gas cylinder assy. USGI (read: real M14's) were super loose that they sounded like Christmas Jingle bells. No joking. His gun even PING'ed while I was showing him the 30 degree test for any hangups when without a spring/op rod guide. Difference between the Norc M14 gas cylinder assy's and Poly M14's? Hmmm... slight percieved one, but that's just an anecdotal observation... not really, they are both tight compared to USGI...
 
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Hungry said:
* Bolt slop - Action forward, push on the rear 'cutout' scallop behind the surface of the bolt close to the chamber (do this rfn <right now> with your M14, if you have one) lugs. Notice the bolt will have a 10 thousandths (10 thou) of an inch of slop back and forth. This is not a :eek: warranty issue.. it's designed that way since Jean Cantius Garand intended for bolts to be interchangeable in the field, especially when you ammo is cold, wet, tired, angry, corroded, hungry and far from home. So the bolt slop is NORMAL and yer #### WILL NOT fall off :eek: Don't go running back to the gun shop complaining of excessive headspace! We've had concerns from dealers about this issue... I guess not every fudd out there reads my drivel :evil: Like you dudes are LOL :D
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Is this the bolt slop you are referring too? Seems like a lot more the 10 thou to me, perhaps I have it wrong? I hope this 13 seconds is enough to illustrate. If not, let me know and I will upload a new video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0qBEh1hXfE
 
LTR308: YES ! :D That's it ... exactly what bolt slop is all about. Remember that Jean C Garand designed that interchangeability in the field especially when your ammo is cold, wet, tired, hungry, corroded, muddy, rusty, and far from home! Please don't panic because your bolt is sloppy, that's they way they are designed.

:cheers:

Barney
 
Thank-you for your reply. Do you think we'll ever get some quality videos from you on Youtube?

Hungry here: It's been hard to record any of my several clinics because many of the attendees are actual uniforms (LEO and Mil) therefore I must practice Operational Security. We are still working on a studio quality recording, but the powers that be are very busy. I even have a NIB Norc M14 and USGI Glass stock for the project. ;)

I was thinking more along the lines of putting a white bed sheet down with a camera behind your shoulder. The camera's field of view would encompass the rifle only. :D
 
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old vs. new

Hungry have you had a chance to compare the original rifles that were imported years ago against these fresh ones. Just wondering cause wanting to buy another (have one sn# 006XX) . Q

Hungry here: Hard to persuade someone else's buying needs (budget, taste, included accessories, comfort level) and prescribe what YOU should plunk yer money down on; but I will say that the Kommunists have REALLY stepped up their M14 quality! Picking mine up at Epps this morning.... 24 Aug 2009
 
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I am curious to know how easy these new bolts are to strip. I recall the bolts on the Norinco models being near impossible to tear down to clean etc...

Man, we need some more quality pics of these rifles!

Hungry here: Why does one need to strip the bolt? I never do, not even for curiosity. Cleaning ? Use aerosol brake cleaner or a varsol bath (margarine container) or a dunk in a paint thinner jar. Let it air dry or compressed air blast, then you are good to go.
 
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CanuckShooter said:
I am curious to know how easy these new bolts are to strip. I recall the bolts on the Norinco models being near impossible to tear down to clean etc...

Man, we need some more quality pics of these rifles!

Hungry here: Why does one need to strip the bolt? I never do, not even for curiosity. Cleaning ? Use aerosol brake cleaner or a varsol bath (margarine container) or a dunk in a paint thinner jar. Let it air dry or compressed air blast, then you are good to go.
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well i think some on is on cgn has made a take down tool for the m14 bolt.
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badboybeeson said:
well i think some on is on cgn has made a take down tool for the m14 bolt.
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i agree- the only time one ever HAS o strip the bolt is to replace parts- ie when the extractor lets go or something like that- you look at most any gi cleaning session( not the field cleaning) and you'll see it's done with a bunch of sinks and HOT scalding water as well as the appropriate cleaners, oils, etc- and there was always a varsol bath for the bolts( the thing would take a whole barreled action if you wanted) and a compressed air line to dry with
 
DON'T TAKE YOUR BOLT APART!!!!!! There is no need to unles you have broken something in the bolt itself!! All these guys that want to take the bolt apart DON'T!!! No need. My M305/M14 has over 5000 rounds through it and not once have I taken the bolt apart. Like Hungry said Curiousity? Well don't let curiousity get the better of you!

My .02
 
I have an insatiable curiousity that even therapy couldn't put a dent in and had to take my bolts apart. It all depends on your level of patience and finger skills. I did find a ring of brass around my firing pin that might not have been removed had I only used aerosol cleaner, so there, I justify my venture into the taboo. Put the bolt in a padded vice and work in an uncluttered room. Parts may fly, and re-assembly is trickier than disassembly, a little two handed coordinated effort with a fine pick is needed to guide the one side spring (extractor) that doesn't necessarily want to go in straight. It can be done, and was meant to be done, just don't do it outside and lose the parts. Its a marvel of interlocking ingenuity.
 
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