Right or wrong...looking for answers according to the law

the OP seems to have his head dead set and locked in that no matter what, that it is illegal! Well, then OP, tell her to kiss off, suck chite, take a hike and you just ain't a gonna do it no matter what cause you have your head so deeply buried into the sand! How about sharing "your" deer meat with her? Give her a break, give her some meat! I betcha that ain't an option in your mind either, right! Illegal, sharing meat with your wife's friend, soooooooo bad! Hang 'em high!!!!!!!!!!!! Run 'em out of town................ Hand cuffs awaiting!
Geeeeez..........
I guess I just can't stand stupid, can you tell?
 
Last edited:
OP...why ask if you are certain of the answer and not willing to listen to anyone anyway?

FWIW I believe it is illegal and no gamey in Canada would tell you otherwise. The non-hunter is paying for wild game whether its indirectly or not is irrelevant. You can do all the wink winks and nudge nudges you want, we aren't talking about can you get away with doing it. Of course you can make a "gift" of 37$ and the hunter can make a "gift" of wild game but that is talking about circumventing the law. Maybe I'm wrong but I'd bet anything (except wild game, cause Id be accepting payment with it...illegal!) the gamey says its illegal.

OP since you are so concerned please make sure you out your wife's friend after getting the official stance from the game warden. LOL JK
 
To clarify...a non hunter paid money so a hunter could buy a another tag for the sole reason of providing a deer for that non-hunter
Click to expand...

So if the person that wanted the deer accompanied the hunter to the license vendor, and paid for the license, she is paying for a license, she isn't buying a deer. The hunter accepts no money at all, so he isn't selling anything. So nobody is buying or selling a deer, the hunter is legally licensed, and it is legal for him to give a deer away. So what law is being broken?
 
Since there was money given to the other party to buy a tag with in trade for meat at a later time, I'd consider this a sale even though you aren't directly buying the meat at that time. You are still giving the other person $47 with the intention of receiving meat from that animal. Essentially you're buying that animal at a later date for the cost of the tag, even though you're just paying for the tag.

It's like giving a drug dealer $20. Giving them money isn't illegal. Giving them money with the intent to buy drugs is. The intent is what has to be proved in court, and if your intentions are to trade the payment of a tag for the meat, then yes it's illegal as it's a sale.

In all reality, it would be pretty dam hard to build up enough solid evidence to charge someone with this, unless of course your wife's friend doesn't learn to shut up.

And $47 for a deer? Hell that's cheap! I'd send them the bill for my hours hunting and expenses and see if they wanted to pay what it's actually worth.
 
Its not about me..... sheeesh

I'm trying to make sure this lady doesn't get herself into trouble by approaching people and asking them to give her a deer for $47......

If I am wrong......I would like to be able to let her know she can carry on....


That is all....


Somebody gets it

In all reality, it would be pretty dam hard to build up enough solid evidence to charge someone with this, unless of course your wife's friend doesn't learn to shut up.
 
Last edited:
Ya hard to build a case against intent, unless you know someone posts about it on a popular firearm /hunting message forum and lawyers/police know how to use the search function.

There's a difference between asking for legal direction and asking for legal rules. This is no different than asking for medical advice.
 
in NS if you have more then 15lbs of game meat that you didn't hunt you need to get a meat permit 'wildlife'. Technically even if you did hunt it yourself of you still have more then 15lbs after april 30th then you need said permit.

"
Department of Natural Resources

Meat Permit (Wildlife)


Who Needs This Permit?
Anyone who wants to:
1. Keep the meat of deer, rabbit, pheasant or grouse (partridge) after April 30 (for example, someone who has a supply of deer meat in the freezer, and has not used it up by April 30);
2. Receive, after April 30, more than 15 pounds of deer meat which they did not legally hunt themselves (for example, a deer has been road killed, or killed by another hunter);
3. At any time of year, keep the meat of moose after it has been dressed / prepared for storage. Note: Anyone may possess up to 15 pounds of moose meat (legally taken) until July 31 of the year following the kill without this permit. "

http ://www.novascotia.ca/snsmr/paal/dnr/paal115.asp
 
With hunting and fishing being such a cash cow for the government it's surprising they don't bend over backwards to try and get more Canadians out hunting fishing and shooting.

I wonder if it would be easy to figure out a 10-year cost from the time someone starts paying for a outdoor card, hunting safety course, PAL etc.. to buying a deer tag every year and renewel for firearm licenses.
 
xeon said:
Since there was money given to the other party to buy a tag with in trade for meat at a later time, I'd consider this a sale even though you aren't directly buying the meat at that time. You are still giving the other person $47 with the intention of receiving meat from that animal. Essentially you're buying that animal at a later date for the cost of the tag, even though you're just paying for the tag.

It's like giving a drug dealer $20. Giving them money isn't illegal. Giving them money with the intent to buy drugs is. The intent is what has to be proved in court, and if your intentions are to trade the payment of a tag for the meat, then yes it's illegal as it's a sale.

In all reality, it would be pretty dam hard to build up enough solid evidence to charge someone with this, unless of course your wife's friend doesn't learn to shut up.

And $47 for a deer? Hell that's cheap! I'd send them the bill for my hours hunting and expenses and see if they wanted to pay what it's actually worth.
Click to expand...

The problem with your argument, is that the hunter doesn't actually keep the money, he gives it to the license vendor. Therefore he makes no profit or reward , so he isn't selling anything.
 
The only people getting any money is the game department; and they would the first to tell you that buying a licence isn't the same as buying a deer.

Still; the safest way would be to buy your own licence and let your wife's friend thank you with a blow-job.
 
I'd say it definitely contravenes the spirit of the law and in grey areas like this, judges often rely on "spirit of the law" when making a decision. All laws are definitely not black and white as is the case here. Often it comes down to an interpretation of the law by a peace officer laying the charge and then it gets handed to a judge. I'd say this case is definitely open to interpretation. The safest thing for everyone involved would be to get an answer in writing from the enforcement agency that oversees this before undertaking the activity again.
 
Last edited:
I better quit paying for my kid's tags, just in case they bring a deer home and put it in my freezer. Can't trust kids, they might do anything.

Our old license (before this online thing we have now) used to have two signature lines, one for the license holder and one for the purchaser if it was a different person. That's telling me that they don't care who buys the licence. I can go down to the SERM office and buy anyone's license from a warden if the receptionist is taking a tinkle. They just have to sign it themselves before they use it. What they do with their deer afterwards is their business, but giving it away to friends or donating to one of the charities is encouraged not just allowed.


Our draw application can have up to 4 applicants on it and they only allow one CC number. How can paying for someone's licence be illegal when they demand it be done like that?
 
Last edited:
Dogleg said:
I better quit paying for my kid's tags, just in case they bring a deer home and put it in my freezer. Can't trust kids, they might do anything.

.
Click to expand...

I don't think you need to be a New York lawyer to see the difference in the spirit of law in your case and between a lady that offers to cover your licence costs to go shopping for her. With that said, a Father was charged in your province for his three year old having her own ice fishing gear set out so never say never I guess.

Our draw application can have up to 4 applicants on it and they only allow one CC number. How can paying for someone's licence be illegal when they demand it be done like that?
Click to expand...

It comes down to intent. Why are you paying for their licences? If only the world were black and white.
 
Last edited:
I don't think you need to be a New York lawyer to see the difference in the spirit of law in your case and between a lady that offers to cover your licence costs to go shopping for her. With that said, a Father was charged in your province for his three year old having her own ice fishing gear set out so never say never I guess.
Click to expand...

The fishing is a little different, the kid doesn't need a licence until they are 16 but the father does if he's accompanying his kid. If he got charged its because he didn't have a licence. If my wife came along for a boat ride when the kids were under 16 I bought her licence.

Or maybe they found some other law to break, but the kid doesn't need a licence.
 
Last edited:
Dogleg said:
The fishing is a little different, the kid doesn't need a licence until they are 16 but the father does if he's accompanying his kid. If he got charged its because he didn't have a licence. If my wife came along for a boat ride when the kids were under 16 I bought her licence.
Click to expand...

Ya I'm pretty aware of the law and that's why I brought this up to demonstrate the discretionary powers of a peace officer to lay charges. The father had a licence...the peace officer laid charges because she had her own gear out and he felt she was not old enough to actually be fishing so the farther was charged with having too many lines in the water. You are correct that kids under 16 don't need a licence but the officer used his discretion that the kid was not old enough to be classified as an angler so ergo the father was breaking the law by fishing with too many lines. Laws are rarely as black and white in the minds of peace officers as we think they should be...sometimes for good reason...others times not.

I still say paying someone's licence costs to go shopping for you contravenes the spirit of the law. Paying for your kid's licence so he can enjoy the great heritage of hunting seems to fit right within the spirit of the law.
 
Last edited:
This is getting silly. Worries about nothing....

Similar situations happen every minute of every day in Canada. Examples

I paid for buddies tag because he is unemployed. We spilt the meat. Legal?
I paid my mechanic in cash to save tax because he did it at home. Legal?
Buddy did my roof in exchange I fixed his car. Legal?
I cut the neighbours lawn all summer and he gave me half an elk. Legal?

Where do you want to draw the line between legal and illegal? Worry about something that matters

Oh, and IBTL
 
If you pay for your kid's licence, does that mean you're evil?
The woman is not buying game(it is illegal to sell hunted game whether sold by the hunter or a butcher.). She's just paying for a licence. She's really gambling that Yomamma will be successful twice. There is no guarantee she'll ever see any venison. That's why it's called hunting and not deer shooting.
 
lets get the true facts before the lock, please! Then we can all understand the Law as it is written or carved in stone, as they say. I still have to say that no money is exchanging hands for profit, benefit or anything else. The money goes for the Lic. As someone else mentioned, let the hungry gal go buy the Lic all by herself, if you feel that money is changing hands.
 
The real question is this- Why do you have your nose stuck so far into someone's business? The hunter didn't gain ANYTHING financially, he actually probably lost money. But he got to do something he enjoys and helped out a friend. Big effing deal.
 
Gatehouse said:
The real question is this- Why do you have your nose stuck so far into someone's business? The hunter didn't gain ANYTHING financially, he actually probably lost money. But he got to do something he enjoys and helped out a friend. Big effing deal.
Click to expand...

my nose got stuck in when she approached me and asked me.......I want her to be aware that one day she may proposition the wrong person.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom