Ruger 1022 vs Blazer ammo, KABOOM!
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I took my 10/22 to the range and put 100 rounds of blazers through my green mountain barell and had no problems whatsoever, but I have decided, because of this thread, to stop using them as soon as I use up the rest of my pack of 525 (about 100 left) and those will feed my ruger pistol.
So where did you guys pick up the yellow jackets?
So where did you guys pick up the yellow jackets?
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Just for sh!ts and giggles i picked up a box of the Remington Vipers from BassPro. They had a real nice crack and hit the plinker pretty hard. For the first time I was slightly impressed with a Remington product and they are pretty aggressive looking round to...
Just for sh!ts and giggles i picked up a box of the Remington Vipers from BassPro. They had a real nice crack and hit the plinker pretty hard. For the first time I was slightly impressed with a Remington product and they are pretty aggressive looking round to...
Dj_Squelch
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I got mine from Frontier Firearms in P.A.
I will keep that in mind when I take out my new Dlask barreled rig for the first time.
Original plan was to buy one of each brand available locally and see what shoots best, but I think I will pass on the Blazers.
Thanks for the heads up.
Original plan was to buy one of each brand available locally and see what shoots best, but I think I will pass on the Blazers.
Thanks for the heads up.
As a lot of you know, Dlask barrels have a tight chamber
and likely they will continue to be manufactured that way.
It was said many times in many threads
that the Dlask barrels were chambered
to take advantage of (and to make the best out of)
the bulk cheap ammo made by Federal and Winchester
found in Can Tire and Walmart.
It was also said that it is highly recommended
you stay away from using CCI ammo in Dlask barrels.
Please look on the ammo box.
If it sez “CCI”, chances are
that it is made by CCI (WTF did you expect?).
If it sez “Speer”, it is also made by CCI.
I will post here again the list of CCI 22LR ammo
in current production:
CCI ammo (22LR):
Stinger
Velocitor
Mini-Mag (HV and Silouette-sp?)
Blazer (sometimes, the box is not marked “CCI”)
Segmented Hollow Point (32 gr and 40 gr, somewhat former Quik-Shok)
Standard Velocity
AR Tactical
Select
Green Tag
Pistol Match
SGB (Flat point)
Subsonic HP
(But as I said, it has to say “CCI” on the box, as there might be
other brands that make ammo that is named “Subsonic”,
or “Pistol match”, or whatever).
Also, usually, there is a bold letter “C” stamped
on the head of each CCI cartridge case.
and likely they will continue to be manufactured that way.
It was said many times in many threads
that the Dlask barrels were chambered
to take advantage of (and to make the best out of)
the bulk cheap ammo made by Federal and Winchester
found in Can Tire and Walmart.
It was also said that it is highly recommended
you stay away from using CCI ammo in Dlask barrels.
Please look on the ammo box.
If it sez “CCI”, chances are
that it is made by CCI (WTF did you expect?).
If it sez “Speer”, it is also made by CCI.
I will post here again the list of CCI 22LR ammo
in current production:
CCI ammo (22LR):
Stinger
Velocitor
Mini-Mag (HV and Silouette-sp?)
Blazer (sometimes, the box is not marked “CCI”)
Segmented Hollow Point (32 gr and 40 gr, somewhat former Quik-Shok)
Standard Velocity
AR Tactical
Select
Green Tag
Pistol Match
SGB (Flat point)
Subsonic HP
(But as I said, it has to say “CCI” on the box, as there might be
other brands that make ammo that is named “Subsonic”,
or “Pistol match”, or whatever).
Also, usually, there is a bold letter “C” stamped
on the head of each CCI cartridge case.
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As seen in the pics above, different ammo will
engrave (imprint) in the rifling at different depths.
Some will go all the way inside the chamber,
others will go less and will leave a portion of the case un-chambered.
Most CCI ammo will imprint A LOT of the bullet in the rifling
(compared to other ammo brands),
meaning that if pushed very very slightly with the finger in a
tighter chamber, the round will stop before fully chambering,
leaving a portion of the case still outside.
As you can see in the pictures in a post above,
that length of the case left un-chambered is usually longer
than the length of the case left un-chambered by other ammo brands.
If the portion of the case left outside of the chamber
is longer (as seen with the Blazer),
then that portion of the case un-supported by the chamber
will burst because the case itself is too thin to contain
the pressure all by itself.
I said on many occasions that the main reason for the above
is the fact that the CCI bullet has larger dimensions.
The diameter of the driving bands might be the same
or it may not, but the diameter of the portion of the bullet
in front of the driving bands is many times different.
Also, the length of the driving bands is different
from ammo to ammo many times (even between ammos made by
the same company).
Another thing that sometimes makes your ammo
to not chamber completely is that the chamber is dirty.
The chamber is tight as it is,
but if there is dirt or wax or whatever inside,
it will be even harder to chamber a round.
So, what is to be done?
First, look for an ammo that your gun likes.
Buy small quantities or borrow from friends small amounts
if they can spare some.
Start with Win and Federal.
CCI will not chamber properly.
Don't go and buy the whole stock of 22 ammo on sale that week
and be disappointed that it won't shoot.
First, make sure the barrel and chamber is reasonably clean.
The rest of the action has to be clean too.
Second, when you start shooting,
when you chamber the first round in the magazine,
do not drive the charging handle forward with your hand,
but rather let it go by itself.
Let the recoil spring push the bolt forward.
The bolt will slam the round right into the chamber
as far as it goes.
Do not free recoil a 10/22 gun, with Dlask barrel or not,
especially if you have a light weight stock.
If you want consistency in the gun position,
then use a full length rifle stand, a la Caldwell or so.
A firm position of the gun against the recoil
is preferred to a limp rest (shooters of blowback pistols know
what I am talking about).
Heavy, massive stocks might also help.
Don't worry if you have none of the above, instead,
hold your gun against the shoulder. It is priceless.
Clean and lube your gun (barrel, receiver, internals).
A blowback gun gets dirty fast.
If there is caked sh!t inside the action, then chances are
that a lot of the energy of the spring/bolt that is supposed
to be spent chambering the round, is wasted on
fighting the friction between parts (ie the bolt is slowed down).
Clean your barrel.
Also, it is harder to chamber a round in a dirty chamber.
So, what happens when the round is not chambered completely?
In the 10/22, because the bolt will not be in the battery position,
the hammer may not reach the firing pin,
or not engage it properly, resulting sometimes in the
infamous “light primer hits'.
But if you will have the kaboom,
then there are a few thinks you have to do:
1.Secure the gun.
If the mag is still in the gun, take it out.
Lock the bolt back, point the gun in a safe direction.
2.Make sure you are Ok.
Hopefully, you were wearing safety glasses.
3.Make sure the other people on the firing line are OK.
(I and other people I know insist that at the neighbouring shooting
benches the people wear safety glasses)
4.Stop shooting. Assess the damage.
Most likely you will have a broken case inside the chamber.
If so, it will be hard to see with the barrel in the gun.
If so, maybe at the range you won't be able to extract it
without damaging the barrel.
5.Make sure you don't have a bullet stuck in the barrel.
Pass a rod through the barrel or take the barrel out
and look through it.
When you took the safety course you have learned sumpin
to the extent of “always check the barrel for obstructions”.
If you shoot another round
while already having a bullet stuck in the barrel,
the first kaboom is nothing
compared to what you are about to experience.
engrave (imprint) in the rifling at different depths.
Some will go all the way inside the chamber,
others will go less and will leave a portion of the case un-chambered.
Most CCI ammo will imprint A LOT of the bullet in the rifling
(compared to other ammo brands),
meaning that if pushed very very slightly with the finger in a
tighter chamber, the round will stop before fully chambering,
leaving a portion of the case still outside.
As you can see in the pictures in a post above,
that length of the case left un-chambered is usually longer
than the length of the case left un-chambered by other ammo brands.
If the portion of the case left outside of the chamber
is longer (as seen with the Blazer),
then that portion of the case un-supported by the chamber
will burst because the case itself is too thin to contain
the pressure all by itself.
I said on many occasions that the main reason for the above
is the fact that the CCI bullet has larger dimensions.
The diameter of the driving bands might be the same
or it may not, but the diameter of the portion of the bullet
in front of the driving bands is many times different.
Also, the length of the driving bands is different
from ammo to ammo many times (even between ammos made by
the same company).
Another thing that sometimes makes your ammo
to not chamber completely is that the chamber is dirty.
The chamber is tight as it is,
but if there is dirt or wax or whatever inside,
it will be even harder to chamber a round.
So, what is to be done?
First, look for an ammo that your gun likes.
Buy small quantities or borrow from friends small amounts
if they can spare some.
Start with Win and Federal.
CCI will not chamber properly.
Don't go and buy the whole stock of 22 ammo on sale that week
and be disappointed that it won't shoot.
First, make sure the barrel and chamber is reasonably clean.
The rest of the action has to be clean too.
Second, when you start shooting,
when you chamber the first round in the magazine,
do not drive the charging handle forward with your hand,
but rather let it go by itself.
Let the recoil spring push the bolt forward.
The bolt will slam the round right into the chamber
as far as it goes.
Do not free recoil a 10/22 gun, with Dlask barrel or not,
especially if you have a light weight stock.
If you want consistency in the gun position,
then use a full length rifle stand, a la Caldwell or so.
A firm position of the gun against the recoil
is preferred to a limp rest (shooters of blowback pistols know
what I am talking about).
Heavy, massive stocks might also help.
Don't worry if you have none of the above, instead,
hold your gun against the shoulder. It is priceless.
Clean and lube your gun (barrel, receiver, internals).
A blowback gun gets dirty fast.
If there is caked sh!t inside the action, then chances are
that a lot of the energy of the spring/bolt that is supposed
to be spent chambering the round, is wasted on
fighting the friction between parts (ie the bolt is slowed down).
Clean your barrel.
Also, it is harder to chamber a round in a dirty chamber.
So, what happens when the round is not chambered completely?
In the 10/22, because the bolt will not be in the battery position,
the hammer may not reach the firing pin,
or not engage it properly, resulting sometimes in the
infamous “light primer hits'.
But if you will have the kaboom,
then there are a few thinks you have to do:
1.Secure the gun.
If the mag is still in the gun, take it out.
Lock the bolt back, point the gun in a safe direction.
2.Make sure you are Ok.
Hopefully, you were wearing safety glasses.
3.Make sure the other people on the firing line are OK.
(I and other people I know insist that at the neighbouring shooting
benches the people wear safety glasses)
4.Stop shooting. Assess the damage.
Most likely you will have a broken case inside the chamber.
If so, it will be hard to see with the barrel in the gun.
If so, maybe at the range you won't be able to extract it
without damaging the barrel.
5.Make sure you don't have a bullet stuck in the barrel.
Pass a rod through the barrel or take the barrel out
and look through it.
When you took the safety course you have learned sumpin
to the extent of “always check the barrel for obstructions”.
If you shoot another round
while already having a bullet stuck in the barrel,
the first kaboom is nothing
compared to what you are about to experience.
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The US company called Rimfire Technologies makes
quality barrels, some priced in the range of $300US.
Their chambers are either “match” or “M”.
“M” is a “more tolerant chamber, suitable for CCI ammo”.
There you have it. So much for different chamberings
suitable for different ammo,
as stated by other aftermarket bbl manufacturers as well.
Dlask currently does not chamber for CCI ammo
and likely they won't do it in the future either.
If you do have a large quantity of CCI and you have to shoot it in 10/22,
stick to the factory bbl or see other aftermarket bbl brands
that chamber specifically for it.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Blazer ammo
nor with any other CCI ammo.
But DlaskCo does not make barrels that accomodate it.
quality barrels, some priced in the range of $300US.
Their chambers are either “match” or “M”.
“M” is a “more tolerant chamber, suitable for CCI ammo”.
There you have it. So much for different chamberings
suitable for different ammo,
as stated by other aftermarket bbl manufacturers as well.
Dlask currently does not chamber for CCI ammo
and likely they won't do it in the future either.
If you do have a large quantity of CCI and you have to shoot it in 10/22,
stick to the factory bbl or see other aftermarket bbl brands
that chamber specifically for it.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Blazer ammo
nor with any other CCI ammo.
But DlaskCo does not make barrels that accomodate it.
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Dj_Squelch
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Thanks for all the info and clearing that up Dr! Makes sense to me! I'll stay away from CCI in my Dlask rifle from now on.
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Post # 47 should be a sticky.
So despite the warning about CCI ammo, I tried some this past weekend and 3 guesses as to what I had happen
Like I said earlier in response to this subject, I didnt purchase or plan to buy any CCI ammo. However I do have a dozen boxes of CCI Velocitor ammo in my box-o-goodies.
My previous .22, (a Kimber Classic with Match chamber) loved them so I purchased a lot of that ammo back when I still had it. I decided to try them out and while they shot great (accurate and consistent FPS) I did have a rupture. One of the rounds jammed and got bent, (brand new Steel Lips mags needed to get broken in and a wee bit of fileing on the one before they worked fine). Even after straightening it did not chamber easily due to the deformed bullet. A wiser man would have tossed it and been done with it, but I was raised by a Finnish farmer who's penny pinching ways would make a Scotsman throw up his hands in disgust.
I let the bolt slam it home several times and it looked fine but when I pulled the trigger it was much louder and I felt a blast on my hand. Magazine stayed in place but is now much blacker near the top.
Because of this post I made sure to wear gloves and safety glasses so no harm at all.
All the rest of the CCI rounds were fine.
Other brand of ammo that were damaged by my new, unbroken in magazines, I fired in the same manner and they all functioned fine. And I had quite a few until I used the file on my Leatherman to shave a bit off of the top of the magazine.
So I am just confirming that it is not just CCI Blazer ammo but in my small sample test, other, premium CCI ammo offerings.
And also, if you deform a round and cant discard it. Put it aside to use in a standard chambered bolt gun.
Like I said earlier in response to this subject, I didnt purchase or plan to buy any CCI ammo. However I do have a dozen boxes of CCI Velocitor ammo in my box-o-goodies.
My previous .22, (a Kimber Classic with Match chamber) loved them so I purchased a lot of that ammo back when I still had it. I decided to try them out and while they shot great (accurate and consistent FPS) I did have a rupture. One of the rounds jammed and got bent, (brand new Steel Lips mags needed to get broken in and a wee bit of fileing on the one before they worked fine). Even after straightening it did not chamber easily due to the deformed bullet. A wiser man would have tossed it and been done with it, but I was raised by a Finnish farmer who's penny pinching ways would make a Scotsman throw up his hands in disgust.
I let the bolt slam it home several times and it looked fine but when I pulled the trigger it was much louder and I felt a blast on my hand. Magazine stayed in place but is now much blacker near the top.
Because of this post I made sure to wear gloves and safety glasses so no harm at all.
All the rest of the CCI rounds were fine.
Other brand of ammo that were damaged by my new, unbroken in magazines, I fired in the same manner and they all functioned fine. And I had quite a few until I used the file on my Leatherman to shave a bit off of the top of the magazine.
So I am just confirming that it is not just CCI Blazer ammo but in my small sample test, other, premium CCI ammo offerings.
And also, if you deform a round and cant discard it. Put it aside to use in a standard chambered bolt gun.
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After a pretty long winter firing all kinds of .22 Ammo, I have become a true believer in American Eagle (both HP and SP's) They work the best in my CZ, 10/22 and Model 46 S&W.
Although I do prefer the CCI Quick Shok's, their cost is slightly more than double what you can get AE's for if you buy them by the 5000 count.
I have sworn off all Winchester as they have about 2-5% duds
FTF in all guns!!!!
The Eagle right now is the one to beat in terms of consistency and worry free shooting. Especially when silhouette shooting. Any break in rhythym can really screw up your score!
Although I do prefer the CCI Quick Shok's, their cost is slightly more than double what you can get AE's for if you buy them by the 5000 count.
I have sworn off all Winchester as they have about 2-5% duds
FTF in all guns!!!!The Eagle right now is the one to beat in terms of consistency and worry free shooting. Especially when silhouette shooting. Any break in rhythym can really screw up your score!
After a pretty long winter firing all kinds of .22 Ammo, I have become a true believer in American Eagle (both HP and SP's) They work the best in my CZ, 10/22 and Model 46 S&W.
Although I do prefer the CCI Quick Shok's, their cost is slightly more than double what you can get AE's for if you buy them by the 5000 count.
I have sworn off all Winchester as they have about 2-5% duds
The Eagle right now is the one to beat in terms of consistency and worry free shooting. Especially when silhouette shooting. Any break in rhythym can really screw up your score!
Might I ask which specific Winchester ammo ?
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Might I ask which specific Winchester ammo ?
Super-X 7% FTF 1500 rounds
Wildcat 5% FTF 2000 rounds
Dynapoint... the blue ribbon LOSER! 15% Bulk packs... I shot 2 boxes and gave the other 4 away.
All rounds were tested in Rifle and pistol. When bullets were pulled, there was almost no green primer!!!!
What a waste.
On the other hand, our local hunting shop was good enough to provide credit on unopened boxes.
I WAS a huge fan of Winchester Rimfire. It was second best to CCI in my opinion. But after these last 5000 rounds, I wouldn't touch it again.
Just gross.
I was warn by dlask not to use hyper velocity and subsonic ammo in their barrels. But I went against the warning to feed my gun with some cci sub sonic.I hand fitted each round in the barrel and make sure they would go into the chamber with minimal effort. Then I load those rounds into the mag to test fire. The subsonic rounds did not have enough energy to cycle the gun with the 12.5" barrel .I had to #### the bolt by hand. I guess the reason they told me not to use subsonic is because they are worried that the bolt would not go all the way back to ram another round into the chamber completely.
I will try it with some wildcat( hyper velocity) this weekend.
I will try it with some wildcat( hyper velocity) this weekend.
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I wonder if you'd give the Winchester 333/555 a try?
555's were a little buggy. Better than the other 3 examples for sure.
Losing shot timing in silhouette though is an absolute killer. No more Winchester for me.
I wonder if you'd give the Winchester 333/555 a try?
When I tried the 333's in my 10/22 I was getting about 1 FTF per 20 shots
