Tell me again how a 30 cal 150 grain bonded bullet at 2450fps is a better 100 yard Deer Rifle than a 30 cal 125 grain vanilla bullet at 2500 fps.
The short barreled 308 is the King Sh*t of Turd Mountain.
And quite a bit more energy. Even when still putting the absolute worst available choice in 308 against the absolute best in 7.62x39.
Some people like all that compared to "it'll do"
Still looking for a 180 grain load that beats the Parker Hale 22" 303 British. That Federal Gold Medal 168 is a real winner too in the short barrel.
https://rifleshooter.com/2014/12/30...ato-barrel-length-versus-velocity-28-to-16-5/
Do you have any evidence that the velocity quoted on 303brit ammo is based on a 22" barrel and not say, the 25+" barrel on most Enfields?
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[TD="colspan: 2"]Stats - [B]Average[/B][/TD]
[TD][B]2209 fps
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[TD="colspan: 2"]Stats - Highest[/TD]
[TD]2221 fps[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 2"]Stats - Lowest[/TD]
[TD]2192 fps[/TD]
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[TD]28 fps[/TD]
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[TD]15 fps[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]2214[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2206[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]220[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]2192[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2185[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2093[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2045[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2007[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]2221[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2213[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2118[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2068[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2028[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]220[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5/08/23[/TD]
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Here's some 220gr Norma soft point boat tails over CFE223 from a 18.7" 308. That's nippin' on the heels of a 20" SKS with 123gr ammo
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Still tryna handload the suck out of the short barreled 308, that's barely a starting load for the 303 British according to Norma.