Savage 210F Sniper shotgun (targets are up !!!)

poweredbybeer said:
1420 fps is 1.3 times the speed of sound at sea level, and the bullet's time of flight is around 0.2 seconds at that range. Again though, I'm not calling you a liar, I mean you were there and I sure as hell wasn't, but I'm thinkin' you were hearing something else :confused:
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Nope, it was the slug hitting the target. It was just a cool side note, I didn't mean it to apply specifically to this conversation. Anyway, if you break down the math, the bullet reaches 100 yds in les than half a second, the impact noise is created, said noise travels back towards the shooter (another 1/2 second)....voila.

Pull the trigger, hear the boom, wait a sec (or .8) hear the slug hitting the target:D

I still maintain 16.5"...that would be damn impressive....(and I could use the scope;) )

Ryan
 
Wrong Way said:
Nope, it was the slug hitting the target. It was just a cool side note, I didn't mean it to apply specifically to this conversation. Anyway, if you break down the math, the bullet reaches 100 yds in less than half a second, the impact noise is created, said noise travels back towards the shooter (another 1/2 second)....voila.

Pull the trigger, hear the boom, wait a sec (or .8) hear the slug hitting the target:D
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Shzt, why didn't I think of that :redface: Dammit, I thought I had all the bases covered! :D

Just goes to show how many variables are involved in shooting, and how much the odds are stacked against your shots being accurate, especially at longer ranges. I'll definetely be interested to see the results of arch's test :cool:
 
I would guess he'll be hitting less than 5" groups at that distance. I've been shooting slugs out of a smoothbore shotty and getting 4" groups at 100 yards with a recoiling barrel (Browning A5). With a special purpose shotty (rifled barrel), proper loads and setup, I believe 5" groups are very achievable. Good luck with the testing. Looking foreward to the range report. BTW, that is an awesome looking gun!

-Jason
 
I think groups of at least 7-8 inches are attainable with this rig, so I'll say 7.75".

The drop will be huge, but they all should drop close to the same as long as the shells are exactly the same, and wind etc. Good luck !
 
I am sorry to say you are deluding yourself if you think you can hit a deer accurately with that sluggun at 300 meters.
I have a 500 yard range and I have shot every type of slug and sluggun at long range. You are welcome to come out and we will prove your theory is misguided... seriously.
The best you are going to get is a 16-20 inch group (provided there is no wind) and your hold over would be off the deers back.... even with a 150 yard Zero!
The 3" Partition slug will not have enough energy to guarantee a clean kill at 300 meters.
You need to get yourself a good Muzzle loader if you want to shoot 250 yards and this is not easily done either... the best shooters under ideal conditions would balk at most 250 yard shots.
Some three pellet loads (in a select few Muzzle loaders) are close to 2400 fps and have far better S/D and B/C than the Partition slugs.
I have seen a few 200 yard kills with slugguns... a clean kill at 300 meters with that gun and those slugs would be unlikely.

P.S. The Remington Core-Locked Ultras have better ballistics and will kill deer much better than Partitions.
 
THE ORACLE HAS SPOKEN.

Glad you found this thread, BIGREDD, as I said earlier I reckon you have more time with this type of shooting than anybody I know or have even heard of.

I still think the answer to Arch's problem, and the cause of his plotting and scheming, is to "SOMEHOW" close the gap on Mister Big to a shorter distance. Maybe the deke idea posted by Wrong Way might do the trick, if the hunt is open in Arch's area during the rut.

Anyways I think this is still a very interesting experiment, and all of us will profit vicariously from Rich's effports.

Doug
 
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Hi, thanks for the advise. I'll try the decoy trick this year. Still going to give 300 a whirl though. I love it when someone says "it's impossible". I'll try a couple other makes of slugs as well for comparison. Remington coppers and Federal Barnes Expanders.

Arch:)
 
Probably a very stupid question, but I know Savage makes the 210 in both a smoothbore and rifled configuration--which one are you shooting?

If it's a smoothbore, then I'll take 48" groups

If it's rifled, then I'm betting on 9.25" groups.

I wonder about handloading to get the most benefit out of that long barrel. I wouldn't guess that anything beyond 20" in bbl length has positive impact on velocity, given the fast powders in most shotgun loadings. If it were me, I'd use brass cases and play with powders that are _just_ on the slow side of the typical shotgun brands. Next step would be to wrap a ridiculously long-for-caliber rifle bullet with excellent SD and BC (.264 match bullet? .338 Barnes TSX? .50 BMG soft point?) in a sabot, and hit the range with my chrony and a laser rangefinder.

'course, it might be less work to just chase Mr. Big through the woods with a pointy stick;-)
 
Well you would be guessing wrong Bishopus... You cannot handload anywhere near to the specs of the factory loads... as the components such as the wads, sabots and bullets are just not available.
Slow burning powder and 24 inch rifled barrels with 1:28 ROT's are the rule for the longest reaching sluguns. And this is with factory ammuntion only.
One reason for the slower burning powder and longer barrel is to avoid too quick an accelleration which will spin the sabot around the bullet and lose the grip and stability.
 
Bishopus said:
Probably a very stupid question, but I know Savage makes the 210 in both a smoothbore and rifled configuration--which one are you shooting?

If it's a smoothbore, then I'll take 48" groups

If it's rifled, then I'm betting on 9.25" groups.

I wonder about handloading to get the most benefit out of that long barrel. I wouldn't guess that anything beyond 20" in bbl length has positive impact on velocity, given the fast powders in most shotgun loadings. If it were me, I'd use brass cases and play with powders that are _just_ on the slow side of the typical shotgun brands. Next step would be to wrap a ridiculously long-for-caliber rifle bullet with excellent SD and BC (.264 match bullet? .338 Barnes TSX? .50 BMG soft point?) in a sabot, and hit the range with my chrony and a laser rangefinder.

'course, it might be less work to just chase Mr. Big through the woods with a pointy stick;-)
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Hi, www.ballisticproducts.com

I am ordering some stuff to start handloading. They have piles of stuff. I have the fully rifled 24" barrel version of the Savage 210F.

Arch:)
 
Ballistic Products

Furync said:
Do these guys ship their stuff north of the border?

Looks very interesting... Thanks for the link!
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Hi, they have a Canadian Distributor.

785000 Alberta Ltd.
Shotgun Reloading Supplies
Will Bilozir
Box 22, Site 11, RR#1
Dewinton Alberta
T0L 0X0

Ph. 1-403-938-6066

I suggest ordering the FREE catalogue, it seems to have way more stuff than the web page.

Arch:)
 
arch1965 said:
Hi, they have a Canadian Distributor.

785000 Alberta Ltd.
Shotgun Reloading Supplies
Will Bilozir
Box 22, Site 11, RR#1
Dewinton Alberta
T0L 0X0

Ph. 1-403-938-6066

I suggest ordering the FREE catalogue, it seems to have way more stuff than the web page.

Arch:)
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Oh I will totally be reloading sabotted slugs very soon. I ordered the catalog. :D

No more 4-5 dollar per trigger pull crazyness!:D :D


Thanks Arch!!
 
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