Savage axis 223 doesn't have any rifling at muzzle. **update**

berger said:
Why? It is a bolt gun. My Ruger .223 is 16.25" in length.
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Because you cannot. 16inch came from the factory. Cannot cut 18inch barrels on manual actions less than 18 without making a prohib. But you can install a purposed made 16 inch barrel.

You been a member since 2008, over 2k posts and dont know the rules?
 
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The OP has options.
-find out if Savage will replace the barrel.
-counterbore the muzzle.
-cut and crown.
The latter two guarantee that the Savage option is off the table.
There is also the option of a new aftermarket barrel. That would hardly be cost effective, given that it is an economy rifle.
 
OkayShooter said:
Because you cannot. 16inch came from the factory. Cannot cut 18inch barrels on manual actions less than 18 without making a prohib. But you can install a purposed made 16 inch barrel.

You been a member since 2008, over 2k posts and dont know the rules?
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wow, that long eh? Getting old! Guess I forgot.... lol
 
I do not think Savage will do anything however, when I wear out the barrel on my Savage Axis it will be getting a pre-fit barrel may even go for a 24 inch barrel instead of 22 inches. I know it's a budget rifle but these days it may just be what someone can afford.
 
boxhitch said:
which model Axis? original model were dogs, II and xp are better
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I think you are confused as to what XP means. It just means scope package. You can get a Axis XP, or an Axis II XP.

The OG Axis has an absolutely garbage trigger, but the barrels are no different between the Axis and Axis II. I'm pretty sure the only differences are the trigger (Accutrigger on the II), and the scope you get in the XP package (used to be a cheap Bushnell with the regular Axis, and a cheap Weaver with the Axis II but that might have changed since I last cared about the specifics of the Axis line).
 
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Just to get back on track, does this lack of rifling even make sense? If the rifling is cut after the barrel is drilled and ends before the muzzle then wouldn't this mean that the rifling tool was pulled back before reaching the muzzle instead of being pulled all the way through and that the muzzle would have a smaller internal diameter than the groove diameter of the rest of the barrel? When the bullet comes to the end of the rifling, wouldn't it have to shear off or compress the parts of the bullet that are formed into the rifling? Seems like that would be not much different than a muzzle obstruction which would cause muzzle deformation or high pressures to say the least. I would be more inclined to think it was counter bored.
 
gerard488 said:
Just to get back on track, does this lack of rifling even make sense? If the rifling is cut after the barrel is drilled and ends before the muzzle then wouldn't this mean that the rifling tool was pulled back before reaching the muzzle instead of being pulled all the way through and that the muzzle would have a smaller internal diameter than the groove diameter of the rest of the barrel? When the bullet comes to the end of the rifling, wouldn't it have to shear off or compress the parts of the bullet that are formed into the rifling? Seems like that would be not much different than a muzzle obstruction which would cause muzzle deformation or high pressures to say the least. I would be more inclined to think it was counter bored.
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It looks like the last inch or so of the muzzle is somehow over sized. Perhaps a manufacturing defect? But as you note, it reminds me of counterbored SKSs and Mosins...
 
berger said:
Why? It is a bolt gun. My Ruger .223 is 16.25" in length.
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See S. 84(1) of the Criminal Code

prohibited firearm means
  • (b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
    • (i) is less than 660 mm in length, or
    • (ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
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Your Ruger is legal because it has a factory barrel that was 16.25". The minute you cut a barrel under 457mm (17.99") you have made it into a Prohibited Firearm. In fact, if you were to recrown your Ruger's barrel, and remove any material from the end of the barrel, that becomes a Prohibited Firearm too.

Don't look for logic in the system...it doesn't exist.
 
BigUglyMan said:
See S. 84(1) of the Criminal Code


Your Ruger is legal because it has a factory barrel that was 16.25". The minute you cut a barrel under 457mm (17.99") you have made it into a Prohibited Firearm. In fact, if you were to recrown your Ruger's barrel, and remove any material from the end of the barrel, that becomes a Prohibited Firearm too.

Don't look for logic in the system...it doesn't exist.
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Got it now. Don't do any smith'ing and never had to worry about cutting down a barrel. Mea Culpa
 
"lack of logic" - some time ago, I got a Swede m94 Cavalry Carbine with extremely rotted out / rusted barrel - 17.7" long. I was looking to set up a Swede m96 barrel on my lathe - would make it exactly the same contour and length - except that would apparently make it a "Prohibited" - (cut shorter, by me, from circa 29" to be less than 18") - instead I bought a NOS m94 carbine barrel from Tradex and installed it - so two rifles would look exactly identical - same barrel contours, same sights - except one would be Prohibited and one is Non-Restricted.
 
So decided to go and chop the barrel down. Had to go back to 18 1/4" before I got to the rifling. The pic is at 100 yards with AR223 ammo, went from a group size of about 12 inches to a thumb lol. Not to bad for a hacksaw, a file and a brass screw with a little valve lapping compound. I think it looks better with the shorter barrel20241003_143725.jpg 20241003_143026.jpg
 
OP - way back in the day - circa late 1970's, I hacksawed off a Remington 788 243 Win barrel from 22" to circa 18 1/2" - used various stuff to try to get the cut to be square to the bore hole - the barrel outside was tapered, at that point. I used a "Smooth" file to dress off the muzzle - then went to the range with that file - shot it - as I recall there was like a "star" shape of soot on end of muzzle - started out not very even - touched up with file and repeated - eventually got the "star's" "legs" to look similar - then fired for group. I shot many 3/4" and 5/8" 3 and 5 shot groups at 100 yards with it. I do not recall doing anything more to that muzzle, although I might have. My wife used that rifle to get her first and only mule deer buck - our son used it to get his first white tail, and our daughter used it to get her one and only white tail - although it had a 308 Win barrel, by the time our daughter used it.
 
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