Semi-Sten: CFC AND RCMP approved and Home at Last

tiriaq said:
Shouldn't be too hard to make up a Cdn II* pistol grip butt, seeing as they were armourer made from standard stocks to begin with. Your SAS3 with pistol butt would likely outshoot most of the conventional pistols. Even if you only shoot for honours, it would be fun.
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The CFTO on how to modify the pistol grip from a regular loop stock is shown in the Sten book. I have made up many of these over the years, using stocks that were otherwise cut or damaged. Takes about 15 minutes to do. As I said before, the LCF goes way up, while accuracy drops an equal amount.
 
Accuracy would drop compared to a Sten with a buttstock, but it should shoot as least as well or better than a conventional pistol.
 
tiriaq said:
I'm assuming that a Norinco 87 is the RPK version, so it is prohib. as an AK variant.
While there isn't really any mechanical similarity between an SKS and an AK, I suppose that the complete barrel assembly could be adapted one way or another, and Armedsask has shown that an SKS receiver unit can be disguised to appear AKish.

Thats the problem , it basicly is a AK. reciever. I was just wondering if anyone
found another reciever that looks that same. I don't want to butcher it, but the laws are so stupid, there's sometimes guns that are the same thing but not restricted. I was hoping someone may of found a way.
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I just bought a deact sten from Stencollector on a whim, then decided to do some research on the stens and found this thread. Have spent the last 2-3 hours reading the whole 58 pages. Some great info on here. Congrats Stencollector on getting that FRT on your build, and looks good! Spencer yours looks good too, hope you get a reg. cert. for it.

After reading the thread I have an itch to build one myself, may be contacting you again SC about parts, etc...
 
SGTMAJSTEVE said:
Anyone have a MK. V barrel for sale to put on my MK. II
I want it for the bayonet lugs for my spike bayonet.

P.S. what's the date of the fun shoot?
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Why not just get one of the mk2 bayonets? IMA has them for about $50.

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If you go down to the events listings, You'll find the fun shoot details. http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=213270
 
Just as a reminder to anyone just tuning in the sas-3 bolts are not available in Canada. You would need to jump threw hoops to get one here. There has also been a few people thinking of marketing there own version of the bolt/kit but non have come to light as of yet.
 
I would certainly like to see a good set of photos of the trigger mechanism and bottom of the bolt of a BD3008. This design has been approved, no need to reinvent the wheel.
So far there have been two systems inspected and approved for Sten type guns - the BD3008 and the SAS3.
The mechanism of the BD38 has also been inspected and approved, so that could be another possibility. It is a bit more sophisticated than a Sten, having a double disconnect function, one involving bolt movement and the second involving only trigger movement.
There is no technological reason why parts for an approved trigger mechanism and bolt design could not be manufactured here, and sold as a parts set. As far as that goes, with an approved design, complete guns could be commercially manufactured, but that could be a bit of an adventure.
Using the SAS3 as an example, there could be a market for these parts sets. Maybe the design could be revised to put the cocking handle slot in the correct position. Perhaps it could be altered to use a full diameter bolt.
 
The sterling also requires the bolt to be in place against the sear in order for the trigger to work on semi auto. The problem I foresee with any of these open bolt fixed pin semi autos, is that removal of any portion of the trigger mechanism results in a full auto (albeit runaway) gun. That the BD3008 got approved is a bit of a surprise although in all honest I haven't examined the underneath of one. Whether a homemade version could be approved is what I have to wonder. I think Spencer's creations will be the next measure of how far this can go. He may surprise us in a few months with "here's my certificate".

Had Questar gone to the CFC and said "hey, I want to supply 10 round AR mags in .556", they would have hung up on him. But when he followed the sequence of introducing a 9mm AR pistol, followed by a 10 round magazine, then a .223 pistol, followed by a 10 round magazine, it all worked out. So who knows where all this will lead.
 
stencollector said:
The sterling also requires the bolt to be in place against the sear in order for the trigger to work on semi auto. The problem I foresee with any of these open bolt fixed pin semi autos, is that removal of any portion of the trigger mechanism results in a full auto (albeit runaway) gun. That the BD3008 got approved is a bit of a surprise although in all honest I haven't examined the underneath of one. Whether a homemade version could be approved is what I have to wonder. I think Spencer's creations will be the next measure of how far this can go. He may surprise us in a few months with "here's my certificate".

Had Questar gone to the CFC and said "hey, I want to supply 10 round AR mags in .556", they would have hung up on him. But when he followed the sequence of introducing a 9mm AR pistol, followed by a 10 round magazine, then a .223 pistol, followed by a 10 round magazine, it all worked out. So who knows where all this will lead.
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Yeah...as you mentioned, pistol grips can be made and are available for Stens. Why couldn't one of these new guns be classified as a handgun? Hey, it's obviously not a subgun.

Although, if someone were making one up with a 19" bbl so that it's not restricted, that would obviously screw that up.
 
cantom said:
Yeah...as you mentioned, pistol grips can be made and are available for Stens. Why couldn't one of these new guns be classified as a handgun? Hey, it's obviously not a subgun.

Although, if someone were making one up with a 19" bbl so that it's not restricted, that would obviously screw that up.
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My point was not that we could get 10 round magazines, it is that, just like when you teach, you go from the known to the unknown. A series of small steps will get you to where you are going, at this point in time the Startrek teleporters don't exist. Thus, perhaps we will get to build open bolt almost exact replicas like Spencer's, using a lot of original components, and with simplistic semi auto safeguards. We will eventually find out just where the line is drawn in the sand.
 
If there were a pistol version, and if there were newly manufactured magazines intended specifically for use in this pistol, then 10 round magazines would be a possibility.
As it stands now, there are undoubtedly pistol magazines that could be used with an adapter in the magazine well, without any change to the magazine, which is important.
Stencollector has mentionned the Sterling. A not entirely different trigger mechanism is used in the Gevarm .22 rifles. The pivot holes in the trigger and sear are elongated. Unless the bolt engages the sear, and applies a significant load to it, the trigger cannot engage the sear.
 
tiriaq said:
If there were a pistol version, and if there were newly manufactured magazines intended specifically for use in this pistol, then 10 round magazines would be a possibility.
As it stands now, there are undoubtedly pistol magazines that could be used with an adapter in the magazine well, without any change to the magazine, which is important.
Stencollector has mentionned the Sterling. A not entirely different trigger mechanism is used in the Gevarm .22 rifles. The pivot holes in the trigger and sear are elongated. Unless the bolt engages the sear, and applies a significant load to it, the trigger cannot engage the sear.
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For that matter, since the mag well is being newly fabbed, why not just make one that fits Glock 17 mags or something instead of Sten mags? Sure, it doesn't look right but the gun really isn't a Sten anyway, looks and acts differently anyway.
5 rounds sucks.
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stencollector on post #579 you showed us a few No36 Mills hand grenades, how much are those worth now a days? I had one in '91 and to help getting divorce, my ex "found" this grenade in my drawer (so she said to the police) while that grenade was of course empty and in my possession for a little more than one year already. So, to make a long story short, I lost my grenade to the hands of the bomb squad never to see it again.

If those little things are still priced reasonably, I might try to persuade my present wife that it would go very well with my Sten Mk2 and my Mk3 and even with an SAS3 (when the problem of finding a SAS3 conversion kit will be solved).

After all she agreed for the firearms like the Thompson, the PPSh41 and the Norinco "Tokarev" ;) .
 
J. Savoie said:
stencollector on post #579 you showed us a few No36 Mills hand grenades, how much are those worth now a days? I had one in '91 and to help getting divorce, my ex "found" this grenade in my drawer (so she said to the police) while that grenade was of course empty and in my possession for a little more than one year already. So, to make a long story short, I lost my grenade to the hands of the bomb squad never to see it again.

If those little things are still priced reasonably, I might try to persuade my present wife that it would go very well with my Sten Mk2 and my Mk3 and even with an SAS3 (when the problem of finding a SAS3 conversion kit will be solved).

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Those are the half dozen INERT examples I needed to fill the 3 grenade bins on my Bren carrier.

You better sit down for this. The price of no36M inert grenades (or any of the other Mills type grenades) has steadily climbed and a nice original example will run from $200 to $225. I actually saw two cutaways sell on the weekend at the Saskatoon gunshow for the higher end of that estimate.

With the ban on mailing inert ordnance through Canada Post, it has become even more expensive to import them as you would have to use couriers.

But like any other milsurp, if you don't like the price today, wait another year and you'll dream of that price.

Sorry to hear about your incident with the bomb squad. They have pulled that here as well, blowing up obvious dummy grenades and telling the judge that they couldn't determine so they blew them up. Hint to the bomb squad....look in that great big one inch hole in the bottom of a dummmy grenade. If all you see is a big hollow space, then it isn't a grenade.
 
I had a Mk. II main casing at one time that had the lugs stripped out of the receiver by being fired without a butt in place.
When Heydrich was assassinated, the Sten involved was fired without its butt - as a result of an attempt to make in more concealable. It fired and jammed.
 
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