Semi-Sten: CFC AND RCMP approved and Home at Last

tiriaq said:
The mag. housing interpretation was specific to the Mk. II carbine, and I suppose would extend to the Mk. 5. With the Mk. III, I would assume that the receiver would be the complete casing assembly. Even though it is serialed, a detached Mk. III magwell could hardly be considered a receiver. As Stencollector has pointed out, neither the mag. housing nor trigger housing makes sense as the receiver.
Nice looking Mk. III. Is it (2), (3) or dewat, if you don't mind me asking?
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I've no idea about this MkIII, it's just a close up pic that I found on the net. Here is a pic of the whole thing.

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I do now however have a dewat MkIII, parts of which I am going use to make a semi auto.

I called the CFC a couple of days ago about this, and they told me to make the reciver, then give them another call and "we will register it". Once I have done this I can make the rest of it, then "call back with the details when it is finished and we will amend it". This seemed a bit too easy so just to make sure I called my local RCMP and they told me the same thing. They said that I don't even need to get it verrified, " this can be done over the phone" ! I will be making a semi auto that fires from an open bolt.
 
Spencer said:
I called the CFC a couple of days ago about this, and they told me to make the reciver, then give them another call and "we will register it". Once I have done this I can make the rest of it, then "call back with the details when it is finished and we will amend it". This seemed a bit too easy so just to make sure I called my local RCMP and they told me the same thing. They said that I don't even need to get it verrified, " this can be done over the phone" ! I will be making a semi auto that fires from an open bolt.
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I would suggest that before you go to the trouble of making anything, you talk with the Senior Firearms Technologist at the RCMP Firearms Support Services Directorate. If you PM me I can provide you some contact info. He is knowledgeable about this subject, and will discuss with you their feelings about some of your ideas. If you build the gun and it gets called in for analysis (which it likely will) then he will be looking at it eventually anyway.
I dealt with the CFC techs for the first 2 years, and while the techs information ended up being bang on to what I needed to do to get htis thing through in the end, the final decision fell to the guy(s) at the FSSD.

By what I have experianced thourgh all this, my money is that on a mk3 they will consider the tube and the magwell as the gun. Use portions of either one and they will ding you for a C/A prohib. I don't think they will apply it to the trigger housing, even though these generally were not available as seperate items. The trigger housing is not overly difficult to make mind you, although the holes are somewhat particular about where they go.

My next project will be a mkV SAS. I doubt I will make a mk3, as I never much liked the looks of the origional mk3 in the first place. My sterling is similar in size and has a much sleeker look to it.
 
Spencer said:
I've no idea about this MkIII, it's just a close up pic that I found on the net. Here is a pic of the whole thing.

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I do now however have a dewat MkIII, parts of which I am going use to make a semi auto.

I called the CFC a couple of days ago about this, and they told me to make the reciver, then give them another call and "we will register it". Once I have done this I can make the rest of it, then "call back with the details when it is finished and we will amend it". This seemed a bit too easy so just to make sure I called my local RCMP and they told me the same thing. They said that I don't even need to get it verrified, " this can be done over the phone" ! I will be making a semi auto that fires from an open bolt.
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What a coincidence thats my pic of the MKII sten Stencollector made for me:)
 
stencollector said:
I figured as much. But I think you meant mkIII (although I'm sure I may have sold you a mkII as well).
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oops ya ---ehem---I should know better its under my pillow every night---yes I mean the nice Lines Brothers MKIII.

(I said Lines brothers so I could sound smart---ah nevermind)

By the way did you know Line Brothers also made Meccano Toy sets as well.
 
shortandlong said:
do you think this could open up more tube guns?
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I see no reason why a guy can't build the same basic internals into any tube gun one desired....PPSH comes to mind, Bergman or lanchester, possibly the sterling SMG too. In all cases, the less origional receiver parts you use the less likely you are to get snagged by the C/A rule. But note that I used a closed bolt system. Someone else can try and get an open bolt accepted on a home-built gun. I was apprehensive enough that I would not see this gun back.

The 2 times I touched one. I drew blood...
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Most guys learn after the first boo-boo. :p I know I did with my M-1. There is a slip on finger guard for the sten to help prevent this. I took mine off my gun before sending it in for it's classification (in case the gun didn't return), I'll have to remember to re-install it.
 
stencollector said:
I see no reason why a guy can't build the same basic internals into any tube gun one desired....PPSH comes to mind, Bergman or lanchester, possibly the sterling SMG too. In all cases, the less origional receiver parts you use the less likely you are to get snagged by the C/A rule. But note that I used a closed bolt system. Someone else can try and get an open bolt accepted on a home-built gun. I was apprehensive enough that I would not see this gun back.

Most guys learn after the first boo-boo. :p I know I did with my M-1. There is a slip on finger guard for the sten to help prevent this. I took mine off my gun before sending it in for it's classification (in case the gun didn't return), I'll have to remember to re-install it.
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Drew blood from getting my hand somewhat pinched placing the handle up into the notch..IE safe...
 
For those interested in a project like this, I ran across this link posted on the jouster forums:
http://hlebooks.com/ebook/stenload.htm

It downloads a free book on the stens, including technical drawings of many of the individual parts, including the magwell. A few of the parts drawings are a bit off (like the trigger mech cover, or the magwell release) but for the money (did I mention it's free) it looks to be pretty good.
There are a few errors perpetuated in the text of the book (such as Cdn manufacture of the mk3 sten,,,,,never happened) but also some interesting variations not found in Laidlers book.
 
Some of you were mentioning about making a non-restricted version. Here is a 19" barrel with a 14" mock silencer over most of it. The silencer cover is a copy I make out of old Cdn P-37 webbing.
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Overall, it is fairly long....I'll whip up a pistol grip for it to replace the loop stock and we'll see how that will look. With the body length, it will still fall over the required 26" of length to qualify as non-restricted.
For a barrel, bits of pieces in BC has 9mm barrel blanks listed for a bit above $200. You can either make 2 or 3 restricted length barrels out of one blank, or else 1 non-restricted barrel.
Mine is already listed as restricted, and I'm going to leave it this way. Someone else can jump through the hoops of getting this version recognized.
 
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