seriously... why is black badge training so expensive?

96Brigadier said:
You have absolutely no idea what I know or don't know, so don't make incorrect assumptions that make your counterpoint fall on deaf ears.

My view is that calling a penalty on a competitor that affects scoring and calling a safety violation that results in a competitor being disqualified from the match entirely are not even remotely close to being the same. Every person on the planet has a bias on just about everything, even though most people are well intentioned. Therefore calling a subjective penalty on a competitor allows a well intentioned official to have that bias come through, which I am personally aware of happening.

If you can't get that through your head then we'll have to agree to disagree.
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So according to your idea the call is objective if it results in a DQ but if it involves just a penalty it becomes a subjective call. Got it.

If you don't mind I'll try to keep your somewhat convoluted logic out of my head. We will have to just disagree.

Take Care

Bob
 
I'm not new shooter and I have shot a few IDPA matches, sanctioned or not, dont know, but IDPA style with IDPA guys hosting the matches.
 
It is not the rules that make the sports not fun, it is the shooters who are always so quick to change the rules before they even really understand them. If they would just give them a chance, try it before you criticize it, it is all fun, no matter IPSC, IDPA, PPC what ever it may be, it is all fun. I shoot IDPA and I understand and like the rules, if I got into IPSC, then those are the rules they have and I would abide by those and enjoy it as well.
 
Steve David said:
It is not the rules that make the sports not fun, it is the shooters who are always so quick to change the rules before they even really understand them. If they would just give them a chance, try it before you criticize it, it is all fun, no matter IPSC, IDPA, PPC what ever it may be, it is all fun. I shoot IDPA and I understand and like the rules, if I got into IPSC, then those are the rules they have and I would abide by those and enjoy it as well.
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exactly...:agree:if new shooters would have some patience and just try out the shooting sport they signed up for...they may just find they like it. :shotgun:
 
Not sure how this got so far off the original topic, but here's my 2 cents.

If you have a problem with the rules, then go shoot something else.

As a competitor, and an SO. I am aware of the rules, and accept them. Period.

AS I am NOT a fan of IPSC, I don't shoot it. Period.
 
My take on this is the old proverb "the poor workman blames his tools"
I find most people who complain about rules in shooting sports do so to gain an advantage by covering their week spots. Just follow the darn rules and learn to fix the weakparts of your game. If the rules work for 99 guys and not for one I would look to the one for the problem - not the rules.
 
JR, as a full TSE member, a league night participant, and an IPSC competitor, I want to wholeheartedly thank you for your support. This past weekend you allowed us to use your facility to host a match, and although you don't get told enough, we really appreciate it.
 
Regarding the TSE and its support; Thank You!!
Regarding equipment that is used by Black Badge instructors, leagues and matches, even though this equipment is usually owned by the club involved, realistically there isn't one piece of equipment that last forever. Target stands are always being shot, lathe has to be replaced, new targets bought, and steel has to be repaired or replaced on a regular basis. I'm not sure how many participants are capable or willing to take on the task of ensuring the equipment is functioning as it was orginally designed. Regardless of the shooting sport, someone has to do the work to maintain equipment, volunteer to keep membership lists current, maintain credible stats, teach new people and the list goes on.
Please say thanks to those who choose to do these tasks with very little or no compensation. If teaching a Black Badge course was so lucrative, why is such a problem in finding one? All are trying to make a living so they can do what they love... shoot.
Just my thoughts.

R & G
 
easysauce said:
I know its a relatively niche training area, I know that you have to get qualifications, book range time, ect ect to teach a course, but so do the people doing the (R)PAL courses.

so why is there such a HUGE cost to this course, which basically amounts to how to draw from a holster, and these are the IPSC rules?
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Did my Black Badge course in Alberta just a few months ago.
$250.
$70 went towards a one year membership in IPSC AB.
$40 went towards my first indoor match.
That leaves $140 for a very comprehensive 2-day course ($70/day).
That $140 included the 1 main instructor and 2 other subordinate and well qualified instructors (for a total of 3), course materials and lunch for 2 days.

I learned a hell of a lot about handgun shooting basics as well as IPSC.

$140 for a 2-day course???
Well worth it.
Money well spent in my books.

But, I guess it's all a matter of personal perspective I suppose. Some find that exorbitant, others not so much.

I paid FAR more for my "Firearms Safety Course" and it was only a few hours long :rolleyes:
 
I felt that my BB course was well worth the money. I've been shooting handguns for about 5 years now and didn't figure there was much I'd learn at the course. Boy, was I wrong! I'm still no Wyatt Earp but it surprised me how much I improved over a simple two day course focused mostly on safety. I can only imagine what I'd learn if I were to take an advanced shooting course.
 
globesmasher17 said:
Did my Black Badge course in Alberta just a few months ago.
$250.
$70 went towards a one year membership in IPSC AB.
$40 went towards my first indoor match.
That leaves $140 for a very comprehensive 2-day course ($70/day).
That $140 included the 1 main instructor and 2 other subordinate and well qualified instructors (for a total of 3), course materials and lunch for 2 days.

I learned a hell of a lot about handgun shooting basics as well as IPSC.

$140 for a 2-day course???
Well worth it.
Money well spent in my books.

But, I guess it's all a matter of personal perspective I suppose. Some find that exorbitant, others not so much.

I paid FAR more for my "Firearms Safety Course" and it was only a few hours long :rolleyes:
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$40 went towards my first indoor match
did that come out of the $250 you paid :confused:
 
JB said:
$40 went towards my first indoor match
did that come out of the $250 you paid :confused:
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Yes. That is the way it is done in Alberta. You pay the $250 and from that your first year membership plus your first IPSC match are paid on your behalf.
 
hahaha. this thread is still going strong? i really don't see the need to justify why anyone should take the black badge course. if they want to stand still and shoot static targets on a controlled firing line, than by all means, let them!
 
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