If Jerry said he did it, he did it. - dan
Shooting a 223 to a mile accurately..Video posted!!!
- Thread starter Mystic Precision
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Mystic Precision
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- Summerland, BC
Dan and BC, thanks.
Orig. was a WILD optical rangefinder. Last year, several Swaro rangefinders.
This year, my Swaro rangefinder.
Jerry
Orig. was a WILD optical rangefinder. Last year, several Swaro rangefinders.
This year, my Swaro rangefinder.
Jerry
Count me VERY impressed. I went out to 2000 yds with a .243 in a crosswind and the windage was just impossible. Bullets were landing all over the place with no consistency even though they should have been still supersonic.
At 1500 yds I got 4 of 8 rounds onto a 2'x4' target so a LOT larger than what you did.
Good job! From personal experience I know well what you are doing is no easy task. Unlike what some are saying not anyone can just walk bullets onto a target at any range. But then the naysayers have never even tried it have they?
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Summerland, BC
Suputin, I know what you mean and was lucky to catch some constant air. A variable gusts would have driven me insane - no wind flags.
I really had some horrid results when using the Bergers so they require some tweaking. The vertical was HUGE - like 30yds huge. Could have been old brass, or wind changes or just the bullets crapping out?????????
At short ranges, they fly WAY better then the Amax but way out there....
I think bullets are going to be very critical to LR success. Some bullets just don't make the trip no matter what you do.
What combo were you using that might stay supersonic at 2000yds?
I have had great success with several of the Amax so that might be a good choice to try in your 243. I think stubbier bullets might just be easier to go????? But then most of the failures have been with stubbier/lighter MK's
Maybe a 90gr Lapua or 87gr VMax might also be worth a poke. There is only one way to find out.
Do you test your loads at 200yds and beyond? I find going to 300m really helps show stringing. This is really what kills you at LR plus whatever issues a bullet design might have.
Hopefully, get another chance before Easter to push some 80gr AMax and a few Bergers downrange to confirm. To 1500yds, both are working spookingly well - 2X4' target would be no issue. Let's see if I can catch some 'clean' air and push them both to the mile again.
Want to also try some 75gr Amax. I expect these to drop significantly more despite going faster. Hopefully, these will also pass 1400yds without fuss.
Jerry
I really had some horrid results when using the Bergers so they require some tweaking. The vertical was HUGE - like 30yds huge. Could have been old brass, or wind changes or just the bullets crapping out?????????
At short ranges, they fly WAY better then the Amax but way out there....
I think bullets are going to be very critical to LR success. Some bullets just don't make the trip no matter what you do.
What combo were you using that might stay supersonic at 2000yds?
I have had great success with several of the Amax so that might be a good choice to try in your 243. I think stubbier bullets might just be easier to go????? But then most of the failures have been with stubbier/lighter MK's
Maybe a 90gr Lapua or 87gr VMax might also be worth a poke. There is only one way to find out.
Do you test your loads at 200yds and beyond? I find going to 300m really helps show stringing. This is really what kills you at LR plus whatever issues a bullet design might have.
Hopefully, get another chance before Easter to push some 80gr AMax and a few Bergers downrange to confirm. To 1500yds, both are working spookingly well - 2X4' target would be no issue. Let's see if I can catch some 'clean' air and push them both to the mile again.
Want to also try some 75gr Amax. I expect these to drop significantly more despite going faster. Hopefully, these will also pass 1400yds without fuss.
Jerry
Nice shootin mystic. It would be nice to integrate a regular video camera into your spotting scope, to see your hits and bullet path. If the bullet path actually showed up, it would look awesome!
Like that one video with the guy with an AR .223 shooting to 600 yds.
Like that one video with the guy with an AR .223 shooting to 600 yds.
Great info Jerry! I was looking forward to reading your results, and am quite impressed.
Looking forward to more.
I hope the ####headed attitude takes a back seat here, and we keep on topic of shooting.
That's what matters, burning powder
Looking forward to more.
I hope the ####headed attitude takes a back seat here, and we keep on topic of shooting.
That's what matters, burning powder
Mystic Precision
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- Summerland, BC
Bush Man, I am looking into getting a camera adapter for my Pentax spotting scope. Was alot easier then I thought. Big problem is no digi camcorder. Pretty expensive too. I think converting the older style tape camcorders would be a hassle.
Anyone can offer me some video advice?
If I can borrow someones, I would love to take some video of the hits. Got the optics that would be easy to see the impacts.
In fact, I could use it as a training aid cause I would finally be able to compare wind conditions vs doping vs results. That would be cool....
Kell, thanks for the support. All this is definitely for fun and to push the boundaries of what's possible. As I have said in the past, some will, some won't, some don't understand.
It's all good and when I repeat a few more times in different ambient conditions, I can offer a 'receipe' that others can use with success.
Jerry
Anyone can offer me some video advice?
If I can borrow someones, I would love to take some video of the hits. Got the optics that would be easy to see the impacts.
In fact, I could use it as a training aid cause I would finally be able to compare wind conditions vs doping vs results. That would be cool....
Kell, thanks for the support. All this is definitely for fun and to push the boundaries of what's possible. As I have said in the past, some will, some won't, some don't understand.
It's all good and when I repeat a few more times in different ambient conditions, I can offer a 'receipe' that others can use with success.
Jerry
I'm already bringing my digital video/spotting scope system. I have tried it now a few times and it works very nicely. Should see those hits no problem.
LH
Mystic, what kind of trigger did you put in your rig? Timney?
Edit: From reading your other posts, it looks like you just massaged the factory trigger. And on this 1 mile rifle you're using a plastic Choate varmint stock?? I was kinda expecting your block stock.
Pics of the actual rig?
Edit: From reading your other posts, it looks like you just massaged the factory trigger. And on this 1 mile rifle you're using a plastic Choate varmint stock?? I was kinda expecting your block stock.
Pics of the actual rig?
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Mystic Precision
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- Summerland, BC
LH, thanks for bringing the video stuff. I think that would be a hoot to be able to video others and their shooting.
Canfire, the trigger is the Rifle Basix 2 set to a few ounces. I demand light triggers.
It is in the Choate Varminter thumbhole stock. Looks like the factory Savage FP (I think??) with a longer pipe. I have attached material to widen the forend so it rides my bags nicely.
Will try and post pics later.
Jerry
Canfire, the trigger is the Rifle Basix 2 set to a few ounces. I demand light triggers.
It is in the Choate Varminter thumbhole stock. Looks like the factory Savage FP (I think??) with a longer pipe. I have attached material to widen the forend so it rides my bags nicely.
Will try and post pics later.
Jerry
You're an a$$hole. You're stirring up #### regarding this topic was "old" 3 threads ago. I've already congratulated him. Should I learn from your example and nut hug as well?
You're right, it doesn't. If guys are #####ing about point of impact deviations with groups at 100/200 yds. imagine what the effects would be at the distances you're talking about.
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Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
A quick sneak up between squalls this afternoon. Started off with the same/similar winds as last time. However, drop was lower so I expect some headwinds along the way. Got some decent hits at the mile, then mirage changed substantially and things went bad in a hurry.
Looked like the mirage was swirling around in non descript patterns. Of course, I kept shooting and of course, bullets dissappeared out of the target area.
After a few more frustrating rds, I started moving around trying to adjust for whatever swirly nonsense was going on at the top of that hill. Was not successful. Just couldn't see any impacts in the soft dirt. Pretty much flying blind
Then it went still for a minute, then the winds did a 180 and came the other way in gusts. Got caught big time in a condition change. Would explain the black hole that I was shooting into.
The conditions kept switching around and I got tired of trying to guess the gusts.
Went off the top of the hill to 1580 then 1600yds at a couple of rocks. Here the conditions balanced out and I went back to 'zero' windage for quite a while. I had alot of fun fireforming some brass. Surprisingly accurate but there were certainly a few 'flyers'. NO biggie as you will get difference in ignition due to variations in factory brass.
The bullets are making it just fine and was a hoot seeing them land in and around a smallish rock. Again, the rock would fit inside a mil dot. I was shooting within 2 MOA...not bad.
Then the winds started to bounce around. By then I was getting tired, the pipe was getting hot and I needed to get home.
So I blasted the remaining shells in quick succession. Wouldn't want to be standing there for sure. A few more at the mile but windage was now all wrong so had no idea where they were landing. A spotter would have been nice.
Anyways, day two with bullets landing out to a mile. Would have been great to have seen the impacts from all 50rds. Doping would have been easier and it would have confirmed that some bullets were not lost.
Oh well, the ground will keep getting drier and dustier. Unless we get lots of rain, should be nice for the Summerland shoot. Will have lots of helpful eyes too.
I have shimmed my scope base somemore as I will concentrate on shooting from 1400yds to a mile. Keeps from having to hold Kentucky elevation. Looking forward to next time. Hope to get some milder constant winds.
Jerry
Looked like the mirage was swirling around in non descript patterns. Of course, I kept shooting and of course, bullets dissappeared out of the target area.
After a few more frustrating rds, I started moving around trying to adjust for whatever swirly nonsense was going on at the top of that hill. Was not successful. Just couldn't see any impacts in the soft dirt. Pretty much flying blind
Then it went still for a minute, then the winds did a 180 and came the other way in gusts. Got caught big time in a condition change. Would explain the black hole that I was shooting into.
The conditions kept switching around and I got tired of trying to guess the gusts.
Went off the top of the hill to 1580 then 1600yds at a couple of rocks. Here the conditions balanced out and I went back to 'zero' windage for quite a while. I had alot of fun fireforming some brass. Surprisingly accurate but there were certainly a few 'flyers'. NO biggie as you will get difference in ignition due to variations in factory brass.
The bullets are making it just fine and was a hoot seeing them land in and around a smallish rock. Again, the rock would fit inside a mil dot. I was shooting within 2 MOA...not bad.
Then the winds started to bounce around. By then I was getting tired, the pipe was getting hot and I needed to get home.
So I blasted the remaining shells in quick succession. Wouldn't want to be standing there for sure. A few more at the mile but windage was now all wrong so had no idea where they were landing. A spotter would have been nice.
Anyways, day two with bullets landing out to a mile. Would have been great to have seen the impacts from all 50rds. Doping would have been easier and it would have confirmed that some bullets were not lost.
Oh well, the ground will keep getting drier and dustier. Unless we get lots of rain, should be nice for the Summerland shoot. Will have lots of helpful eyes too.
I have shimmed my scope base somemore as I will concentrate on shooting from 1400yds to a mile. Keeps from having to hold Kentucky elevation. Looking forward to next time. Hope to get some milder constant winds.
Jerry
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The members disrupting this thread will cease fire IMMEDIATELY!!!!! You know who you are.
This thread is very informative, so to those who wish to "stir the pot" or cause sh*t, you can take it to PMs or just stop all together.
If I see any more bickering, or get any more complaints, people will be getting a "Vacation" from here.............
SKBY.
This thread is very informative, so to those who wish to "stir the pot" or cause sh*t, you can take it to PMs or just stop all together.
If I see any more bickering, or get any more complaints, people will be getting a "Vacation" from here.............
SKBY.
To ensure that there is no "questioning" the image quality of what transpires next month, I took the opportunity (of having the kids to watch this morning) to test the video system.
It was early in the morning - 9:30 AM, and I was shooting along the landscape so there is lots of heat waves coming off the city from the air heating, and heat from buildings.
On the second test, it is a building under construction, and I judge that the image area at 1.39 Miles (measured in Google earth) is about 30 Ft. square.
Metric was avoided in reflection of the thread title.
The upload to Photobucket rendered the video rather choppy compared to the original, so if someone can host a 10 Mb file, it would go a long way to a much sharper video.
LH
It was early in the morning - 9:30 AM, and I was shooting along the landscape so there is lots of heat waves coming off the city from the air heating, and heat from buildings.
On the second test, it is a building under construction, and I judge that the image area at 1.39 Miles (measured in Google earth) is about 30 Ft. square.
Metric was avoided in reflection of the thread title.
The upload to Photobucket rendered the video rather choppy compared to the original, so if someone can host a 10 Mb file, it would go a long way to a much sharper video.
LH
