Shooting ducks on the water? :)

1963beretta said:
Hey Hoyt....40 years of hunting??? Based on past photos you've posted, I was sure I had you correctly pegged as being a 30 something year old. Crap...I guess that crisp northern Ontario air keeps you much younger looking then the smoggy polluted crap we breath in down in Toronto!
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Thanks... I knew I liked you for a reason! In would settle for 50 again, let alone 30.
 
3macs1 said:
Nope . Do you even know what a true sportsman is defined as. Not from what I have seen.
Perhaps going back to the original hunters safety course data may help you which is based on a study recognized world wide since the late 70's

Be honest where do you fit right now.

The five stages of a HUNTER

Summary

Shooter Stage
Hunters at this stage simply want to do a lot of shooting, be it doves, ducks, squirrels, rabbits or even deer (in which case shooting opportunities are acceptable too). They want to test their shooting abilities, as well as that of their rifle or shotgun. These hunters are beginners and are often young as well.

Limiting-Out Stage
Eventually, simply burning through a lot of ammunition is no longer sufficient. Hunters at this stage still gain a lot of satisfaction from shooting, but now the number of birds or animals bagged becomes important too, and limiting-out, or filling a tag, is the gold standard.

Trophy Stage
Eventually the weight of the game bag becomes less important and the emphasis shifts from quantity to quality. Hunters at this stage gain satisfaction from being selective in taking game, such as a duck hunter who shoots only greenheads, a turkey hunter who only shoots long beards, or a deer hunter who takes only mature bucks. These hunters often travel long distances to hunt trophy animals.

Method Stage
For this hunter, taking game is still important, but more important is how that game is taken. True satisfaction comes from the method used to take game, with particular emphasis on more challenging methods such as archery or muzzleloading. This hunter will spend a lot of time scouting and using trail cameras, studying their quarry and practicing hunting skills such as calling and, in the case of a deer hunter, may even choose to target one specific animal.

Sportsman Stage
After many years in the field, the hunter begins to place the emphasis on the total hunting experience. Being in the outdoors, enjoying the company of friends and family, and seeing nature in all its beauty, now outweigh the need for taking game. These hunters often turn to mentoring other younger hunters for ultimate satisfaction.
Dr. Jackson and Dr. Norton found that not all hunters go through all of these stages, or in this particular order. They also found that it's possible for hunters to be at different stages with different species of game that they may pursue. In addition, a hunter's role models, as well as the amount of hunting they are able to do, will impact on how quickly hunters progress through the various stages.
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If i have to go through the trophy hunter stage. Im perfectly happy not making it to "sportsman"
 
3macs1 said:
Nothing to do with legal or not or superior IMO. Just shared what the experts etc define a sportsman as
What are you doing reading this anyway :) No coyotes to be shot
Merry Christmas by the way
Cheers
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Just got my bait set out today, the shooting should start shortly.
A merry Christmas to you and yours.
 
3macs1 said:
Nope . Do you even know what a true sportsman is defined as. Not from what I have seen.
Perhaps going back to the original hunters safety course data may help you which is based on a study recognized world wide since the late 70's

Be honest where do you fit right now.

The five stages of a HUNTER

Summary

Shooter Stage
Hunters at this stage simply want to do a lot of shooting, be it doves, ducks, squirrels, rabbits or even deer (in which case shooting opportunities are acceptable too). They want to test their shooting abilities, as well as that of their rifle or shotgun. These hunters are beginners and are often young as well.

Limiting-Out Stage
Eventually, simply burning through a lot of ammunition is no longer sufficient. Hunters at this stage still gain a lot of satisfaction from shooting, but now the number of birds or animals bagged becomes important too, and limiting-out, or filling a tag, is the gold standard.

Trophy Stage
Eventually the weight of the game bag becomes less important and the emphasis shifts from quantity to quality. Hunters at this stage gain satisfaction from being selective in taking game, such as a duck hunter who shoots only greenheads, a turkey hunter who only shoots long beards, or a deer hunter who takes only mature bucks. These hunters often travel long distances to hunt trophy animals.

Method Stage
For this hunter, taking game is still important, but more important is how that game is taken. True satisfaction comes from the method used to take game, with particular emphasis on more challenging methods such as archery or muzzleloading. This hunter will spend a lot of time scouting and using trail cameras, studying their quarry and practicing hunting skills such as calling and, in the case of a deer hunter, may even choose to target one specific animal.

Sportsman Stage
After many years in the field, the hunter begins to place the emphasis on the total hunting experience. Being in the outdoors, enjoying the company of friends and family, and seeing nature in all its beauty, now outweigh the need for taking game. These hunters often turn to mentoring other younger hunters for ultimate satisfaction.
Dr. Jackson and Dr. Norton found that not all hunters go through all of these stages, or in this particular order. They also found that it's possible for hunters to be at different stages with different species of game that they may pursue. In addition, a hunter's role models, as well as the amount of hunting they are able to do, will impact on how quickly hunters progress through the various stages.
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Ive seen this Stages List many times before, but they really need to add one stage.

Snob Stage
When they tell others that only their particular methods or ethics are valid, and look down upon those who choose to legally hunt differently than them
 
Gatehouse said:
Ive seen this Stages List many times before, but they really need to add one stage.

Snob Stage
When they tell others that only their particular methods or ethics are valid, and look down upon those who choose to legally hunt differently than them
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You forgot "appeaser stage".... That's when snob stage sells out every other legal hunter that doesn't hunt the way they do..... This stage is also famous for agreeing to the ban of firearms they wouldn't choose to use, since they think selling out others' firearms will keep theirs safe.....

"An appeaser is one that will feed others to a crocodile hoping it will eat them last" - Winston Churchill
 
Superbrad said:
You forgot "appeaser stage".... That's when snob stage sells out every other legal hunter that doesn't hunt the way they do..... This stage is also famous for agreeing to the ban of firearms they wouldn't choose to use, since they think selling out others' firearms will keep theirs safe.....

"An appeaser is one that will feed others to a crocodile hoping it will eat them last" - Winston Churchill
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Let's call it the "Fudd stage" instead.............. :popCorn: :)
 
bearkilr said:
Let's call it the "Fudd stage" instead.............. :popCorn: :)
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Lol.... I struggle with that, because I like being labelled a fudd since I prefer my rifles in blued and wood.....

And I must admit it bothers me from the other side that the tacticrap people wish to justify their purchases with zombies and overweight shoplifters leaving the food court with an extra large fry they didn't pay for....

I am, and will always be, of the mind that a law abiding citizen should be able to own what they want.... With the Exception of weapons of mass destructions of course... Lol

Same rule applies to hunting..... It's not my place to tell you or anyone else how to hunt and which game to harvest.....
 
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Wow, this thread just bloated with opinion...

Opinion noun. 'The judgement which the mind forms of any proposition, statement, theory, or event, the truth or falsehood of which is supported by a degree of evidence that renders it probable, but does not produce absolute knowledge or certainty.' (from Webster's dictionary, 1892)

The only absolute certainties in hunting are these: No suffering intentionally inflicted on game and no greed, no trespassing and no causing harm or loss to other people.
 
When I meet up with a fellow hunter say at a boat launch or walking out of a marsh or coming out of a field with sloughs etc. and they have some birds they harvested the last thing going through my mind is "huh, I wonder how they shot them?!" My first thoughts are generally "cool, they got some birds" and if possible to do so I usually strike up a conversation with "looks like you got into them, nice!". Hopefully at that point we swap some stories and maybe even a few laughs before continuing on our way. The thought would never occur to me to presume "how" they got their birds because I really don't care how. I am not a measuring stick.
 
That's the problem with the liberal mindset, if they feel their way is better, everyone else must act and think like them. Bollox I say!!

At least there are a few here that don't look down their nose, or berate others for their choice of actions... You all know who you are, and I commend you and respect you.

As for the rest of you.... I'll quote Flo from Als Diner "KISS MY GRITS!!"
 
Here is an "ethics" or "sporting"question for you. This is a true life scenario. You've been banding ducks with a buddy prior to season. You know from banding with him that the roost where he is banding is a no hunting allowed spot so that is ruled out come season opener. Through banding with him you find out CWS and USFWS have issued many banders in select areas a set number of reward bands. Your friend has been issued 50 - $100 US funds bands to be placed on every Black Duck he captures and failing being able to band 50 Blacks every second ADULT drake Mallard Duck. The US exchange rate at the time is almost half a buck!! So he uses up 47/50 reward bands on Blacks and you hunt that area where it is a two Black per day limit in your daily bag and 4 Blacks in your posession. The Blacks are not abundant like they were many years prior and in fact the limit has only been increased to two from one in the past season or two and you usually pass them up altogether. A few weeks into the season you find where the birds from that roost are loafing after feeding and you are quite sure many of them are birds you probably banded as nobody has been after them and now they are in a spot you can hit them. There are several hundred to a thousand plus using the spot and there are lots of Blacks mixed in. So what would you do?! Give your opinions and then I will tell you what we did.
 
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gatehouse said:
ive seen this stages list many times before, but they really need to add one stage.

Snob stage
when they tell others that only their particular methods or ethics are valid, and look down upon those who choose to legally hunt differently than them
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the spank said:
Here is an "ethics" or "sporting"question for you. This is a true life scenario. You've been banding ducks with a buddy prior to season. You know from banding with him that the roost where he is banding is a no hunting allowed spot so that is ruled out come season opener. Through banding with him you find out CWS and USFWS have issued many banders in select areas a set number of reward bands. Your friend has been issued 50 - $100 US funds bands to be placed on every Black Duck he captures and failing being able to band 50 Blacks every second ADULT drake Mallard Duck. The US exchange rate at the time is almost half a buck!! So he uses up 47/50 reward bands on Blacks and you hunt that area where it is a two Black per day limit in your daily bag and 4 Blacks in your posession. The Blacks are not abundant like they were many years prior and in fact the limit has only been increased to two from one in the past season or two and you usually pass them up altogether. A few weeks into the season you find where the birds from that roost are loafing after feeding and you are quite sure many of them are birds you probably banded as nobody has been after them and now they are in a spot you can hit them. There are several hundred to a thousand plus using the spot and there are lots of Blacks mixed in. So what would you do?! Give your opinions and then I will tell you what we did.
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I wouldn't change a thing about the way I hunt. But in all honesty, if given the opportunity to shoot a bird I took part in banding, I'd prefer to pass on the blacks altogether. Shooting a banded bird is something special for me.....unless of course I aided in the banding of it. If I ended up shooting one at some point in future seasons, then that would be pretty cool. But not in the same season I banded them. The dollar value of the bands is irrelevant in my opinion and wouldnt factor in anything of importance in my mind
 
Gatehouse said:
Ive seen this Stages List many times before, but they really need to add one stage.

Snob Stage
When they tell others that only their particular methods or ethics are valid, and look down upon those who choose to legally hunt differently than them
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Actually a snob is a snob. It doesn't matter what stage he is at, his stage, his way, his equipment and his mindset is the only right way. It doesn't matter if he changed his mind last week, the new gospel is absolute. It is just as easy to find a snob meat-hunter as a snob trophy hunter or a snob bowhunter. He's the same guy a few years earlier or later.
 
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