Short Magnums. What are they bringing to the field?

You're right. Let's just all carry around 10lbs rifles because our grandfathers did it without whining. Technology be damned. Why would anybody want to make things easier or more enjoyable? (okay, sarcasm off)

How much sheep hunting have you done? High-country, backpack elk hunting without quads or horses? I'm not trying to be aggressive, here, I'm only trying to figure out where you're coming from.

A pound and a half, or two pounds off my rifle makes a big difference to me after climbing foothills or mountains all day and putting 15 km's and thousands of feet of elevation behind me...
 
Jordan Smith said:
You're right. Let's just all carry around 10lbs rifles because our grandfathers did it without whining. Technology be damned. Why would anybody want to make things easier or more enjoyable? (okay, sarcasm off)

How much sheep hunting have you done? High-country, backpack elk hunting without quads or horses? I'm not trying to be aggressive, here, I'm only trying to figure out where you're coming from.

A pound and a half, or two pounds off my rifle makes a big difference to me after climbing foothills or mountains all day and putting 15 km's and thousands of feet of elevation behind me...
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If your "dependent" on the latest technology to hunt game then have it.
 
Jordan Smith said:
You're right. Let's just all carry around 10lbs rifles because our grandfathers did it without whining. Technology be damned. Why would anybody want to make things easier or more enjoyable? (okay, sarcasm off)

How much sheep hunting have you done? High-country, backpack elk hunting without quads or horses? I'm not trying to be aggressive, here, I'm only trying to figure out where you're coming from.

A pound and a half, or two pounds off my rifle makes a big difference to me after climbing foothills or mountains all day and putting 15 km's and thousands of feet of elevation behind me...
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You save 8 ounces from a 270Win(Long) to a 270WS(Stubby) in the same Rifle? No?
If the quarter to half pound off, with a short action 270WSM over a standard length 270Win, makes or breaks your hunt, then you need to stay nearer to sea level .

So the WSM's short action are "2 lbs lighter" than a long action Rifle. Okay this mystical cartridge efficiency, also applies to the .375" of removed receiver steel.
Okay,.... now I see where you are alot lighter:onCrack:

Maybe I'm old enough to be your grandpappy, but I can still spot a Dog and Pony show( :bsFlag:WSM :bsFlag:), when I see it.
 
Just to throw dig in for the WSM excuse for the guys that hunt the Matterhorn and like escarpments, .....I see a Kimber 84L Montana, a lovely Lwt should I be inclined( Kimbers are what you show you Girlfriend, Winchester M70 FWTs are what you show the sheep:p) for a nice, quality lwt, lists it at 5lbs, 10 ounces. Light!

I see the 8400 WSM Montana in .270WSM coming in a 6lbs 3 ounces.:eek: I know doesn't seem right but..... is it because Kimber use's minimum OD of steel around a cartridge to save weight, they need the extra OD, and therefore mass around that short stubby .270WSM? Please tell me no!!!!:D

If I have misread the website, please correct me. Both were showing 24" barrels as well at those weights. I figured the short action WSM should be a little lighter.

So the WSM is heavier, and the 270 Win will do everything you need way up there, ballistically a twin with the stubby magnum right?

Or will the .270W, need a Hot and High uprated powder, much like an aircraft engine designed for tropical high elevation take offs,..... to be able to perform with the Stubby?:rolleyes:
 
My 300wsm is a pound less than my buddies 300wm and my old 300wm. And the 300wsm has the same velocity and LESS felt recoil. I sure love modern rifle stock design and recoil pads! :)
 
No, the 270 wsm and 270 win are not ballistic twins, the magnum has more velocity.

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Just to throw dig in for the WSM excuse for the guys that hunt the Matterhorn and like escarpments, .....I see a Kimber 84L Montana, a lovely Lwt should I be inclined( Kimbers are what you show you Girlfriend, Winchester M70 FWTs are what you show the sheep:p) for a nice, quality lwt, lists it at 5lbs, 10 ounces. Light!

I see the 8400 WSM Montana in .270WSM coming in a 6lbs 3 ounces.:eek: I know doesn't seem right but..... is it because Kimber use's minimum OD of steel around a cartridge to save weight, they need the extra OD, and therefore mass around that short stubby .270WSM? Please tell me no!!!!:D

If I have misread the website, please correct me. Both were showing 24" barrels as well at those weights. I figured the short action WSM should be a little lighter

So the WSM is heavier, and the 270 Win will do everything you need way up there, ballistically a twin with the stubby magnum right?

Or will the .270W, need a Hot and High uprated powder, much like an aircraft engine designed for tropical high elevation take offs,..... to be able to perform with the Stubby?:rolleyes:
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RememberTheSomme said:
You save 8 ounces from a 270Win(Long) to a 270WS(Stubby) in the same Rifle? No?
If the quarter to half pound off, with a short action 270WSM over a standard length 270Win, makes or breaks your hunt, then you need to stay nearer to sea level .

So the WSM's short action are "2 lbs lighter" than a long action Rifle. Okay this mystical cartridge efficiency, also applies to the .375" of removed receiver steel.
Okay,.... now I see where you are alot lighter:onCrack:

Maybe I'm old enough to be your grandpappy, but I can still spot a Dog and Pony show( :bsFlag:WSM :bsFlag:), when I see it.
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You're comparing apples to oranges. Since when was the standard long-action group of cartridges equal to the standard magnums or short mags? Show me a .270 in a factory production long action that equals the performance of the .270 WSM in a rifle as light as you say, and I'll pay attention.
 
Wow, this thread is still going? Going nowhere that is!

I switched from a .300WM to a .300WSM, lol. Lost a lot of weight (nearly two pounds) and lost very little velocity while gaining accuracy. I'm happy!
 
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RememberTheSomme said:
Just to throw dig in for the WSM excuse for the guys that hunt the Matterhorn and like escarpments, .....I see a Kimber 84L Montana, a lovely Lwt should I be inclined( Kimbers are what you show you Girlfriend, Winchester M70 FWTs are what you show the sheep:p) for a nice, quality lwt, lists it at 5lbs, 10 ounces. Light!

I see the 8400 WSM Montana in .270WSM coming in a 6lbs 3 ounces.:eek: I know doesn't seem right but..... is it because Kimber use's minimum OD of steel around a cartridge to save weight, they need the extra OD, and therefore mass around that short stubby .270WSM? Please tell me no!!!!:D

If I have misread the website, please correct me. Both were showing 24" barrels as well at those weights. I figured the short action WSM should be a little lighter.

So the WSM is heavier, and the 270 Win will do everything you need way up there, ballistically a twin with the stubby magnum right?

Or will the .270W, need a Hot and High uprated powder, much like an aircraft engine designed for tropical high elevation take offs,..... to be able to perform with the Stubby?:rolleyes:
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Didn't you know that the 200 fps faster velocity makes the WSM better suited to mountain grizzly defense. :rolleyes::p
 
I've tried to be very courteous in our conversation, jethunter, but don't put words in my mouth.

450fps does not = 200fps

and

me feeling a bit more relaxed does not = decisively better for mountain grizzly defense
 
Why not? said:
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You really believe this stuff, don't you! :D

Ted
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Hey Ted,

Hope you're having a good week!

Good bullets fly well and good bullets kill well, regardless of the cartridge they're launched from. I just happened to like the 7Mag class of cartridge. Humping the tundra and boulder fields for 20+km's a day, while guiding caribou hunters in the NWT taught me the subtle niceties of the 8400 Montana over even my Husky H-5000 with a 15oz scope ;) The Rifles, Inc. Strata in 7STW that a hunter brought was even more of a blessing- I swore it was a toy gun rather than the real thing when I held it in my hands.

I don't see why guys have such a bone to pick with the WSM's. I can shave off some weight from other 7RM rifles, while still maintaining the performance and accuracy. This in a factory rifle with no 'smithing required. What's not to like?
 
Having a very good week, Jordan. Thanks!

Was not disagreeing with you, as much as commending you on your dogged determination. You just won't let those guys get the best of you. Most would have given up way back in this thread.

Nothing wrong with the 270 WSM. I am tickled that it has whittled away at the 7mm so well. I have both 270 Win and a 270 Wby rifles. Both are pretty light, very accurate, and kill big game well at ranges far beyond what most folks are capable of hitting at. The WSM fall right in there between them, so no argument here.

Try putting a 10 ounce scope on your Husky, and get back to us. ;)

Ted
 
Jordan Smith said:
I'm not dependent, but I sure don't mind taking advantage of it. Unlike some folks.
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Once you have been around the "track", pund intented, and experienced "34" years of carring a multitude of various high powered rifles, than I "may" want to listen to you. I carry a heavy rifle because I "know" that they are better firearms for shooting and hunting.
I guess that if you enjoy the advantages of a light rifle it then seperates todays trendy hunters from real men who don't complain about weight.

As for the WSM's, they don't shoot as fast as my Weatherby cartridges and the STW. Therefore, why would I want to untilize an inferior cartridge?
 
track said:
Once you have been around the "track", pund intented, and experienced "34" years of carring a multitude of various high powered rifles, than I "may" want to listen to you. I carry a heavy rifle because I "know" that they are better firearms for shooting and hunting.
I guess that if you enjoy the advantages of a light rifle it then seperates todays trendy hunters from real men who don't complain about weight.

As for the WSM's, they don't shoot as fast as my Weatherby cartridges and the STW. Therefore, why would I want to untilize an inferior cartridge?
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As for the Weathrbys and STW's, they don't shoot as fast as my RUM cartridges and the Lazzeroni. Therefore, why would I want to utilize an inferior cartridge?

:p:p:D
 
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