SHTF Rifle - Ideas

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Gin said:
The XCR looks like a great option. Only problem with it and the AR-180B are the price tags.
I'm thinking of a price cap somewhere around $1200 without optics or other high-end accessories.
I know that leaves options like the T-97, a CZ/VZ (whichever model is chambered for .223), or the SU-16.
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If your talking about a SHTF rifle you are talking about something your are trusting your life and the lives of your family to. Is $1200 all yours and their lives are worth?
You want a rifle you can trust 100% to work when you pull the trigger. That goes for ammo as well. You need quality ammo and mags. If you want to call it a SHTF rifle then this is no time to cheap out. If you just want something that looks cool and is non restricted your still going to have to spend more than that but the brand and quality is less important.

Quality doesn't come cheap when it comes to non restricted black rifles.
Your life may depend on it so spend the money.

For what you describe in the price range you want the only rifle I can think of worth spending money on is a cz 858 (7.62×39) and buy as much ammo and mags as you can afford. 2000 rounds is minimum stockpile plus ammo to practice with.
 
Gin said:
Looking for everyone's opinion on a Canadian bug out rifle.

I'm thinking something non-restricted, chambered for .223/5.56, and using STANAG magazines.

Reliability and weight will probably be chief concerns.
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Well, as mentionioned to strictly adhere to your criteria you're looking at approximately a $3000 investment or more. Loosen the requirements a bit and you have the SU-16 on the nonrestricted side, or the AR on the restricted side. Loosen the requirements even more and you have the SKS or something similar.

Or, just because no one else mentioned it, the Mossberg MVP.

Is there any particular reason why you want Stanag mags?

For myself, I'd have to go with a dependable takedown. Ardent has got me wanting to try to acquire/build a Ruger No.1, but I've still got a soft spot in my heart for a Browning BLR takedown. All I've got now is a H&R Handi rifle in .223, but that thing's way too heavy for what it is.
 
I would be happy with an x39 58-pattern rifle or a quality AR.

I would not be thrilled with very many other options, although I could make do with most of the popular options or a cheap or otherwise lousy AR if necessary.


Personally I'm of the opinion that if #### is so ####ed up that I think I need a god damn assault rifle with me - and yes, I called it an assault rifle and no, I'm not sorry - then whether it's restricted or not is going to be pretty low on my list of concerns.
 
misanthropist said:
I would be happy with an x39 58-pattern rifle or a quality AR.

I would not be thrilled with very many other options, although I could make do with most of the popular options or a cheap or otherwise lousy AR if necessary.


Personally I'm of the opinion that if #### is so ####ed up that I think I need a god damn assault rifle with me - and yes, I called it an assault rifle and no, I'm not sorry - then whether it's restricted or not is going to be pretty low on my list of concerns.
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randyhub said:
AR platform hands down! SHTF who will care if it is restricted anyways. I have one SHTF gun it is an old school Olympic Arms with a 11.5" barrel. I know many people will say oh you need a gun that reaches out there but I can say anyone that moves around in daylight in open area will be out of the game quickly. Most survivors will stay under cover and most fights will be under 150 yards anyways most likely around 50 to 75 yards in urban or bush settings.

7.62? Well if you can only carry 200 rounds your expensive platform will be a poorly balanced club when you run out of ammo.

5.56 seems the best compromise for round count over power in closer encounters. Ever ask why use a noisey 5.56 round when you need to eat something like a rabbit instead of a .22 rimfire round. So I can easily carry 300 ronds of 5.56 and another 2000 rounds of .22 rimfire. Hmm any 300.00 rimfire conversion kits out here for non AR platforms, don't think so.

Is a .22 rimfire a stopper, not really but would you rather use your empty semi auto as a club or swap over to 26 rounds of Stingers with a conversion kit?

I will stay with my 20 year old Oly it always goes bang and groups very well and my CMMG .22 conversion kit just chugs along as well, at the end of the day it is all about choices and flexibility, as most decent rifles are already accurate and dependable. And forget about lasers, flashlights, red dots, as batteries run out....

Just practise with you irons and get a simple scope that works well.

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If you choose a .22 as your SHTF gun get a SR 22 or 1022, here is my 10/22 with a 10" charger barrel and all that useless battery powered gizmos that would just come off when the batteries fail, at least I have a scope and great backup irons.

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Just my .02 cents.

Randy
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May come a day when we don't have ARs. If they come around with a list of your toys and say they want them all, the AR isn't going to do you much good.


I think a dedicated .22 upper would be a better choice than carrying an extra SR.
 
Stevebot-7 said:
, as mentionioned to strictly adhere to your criteria you're looking at approximately a $3000 investment or more. Loosen the requirements a bit and you have the SU-16 on the nonrestricted side, or the AR on the restricted side. Loosen the requirements even more and you have the SKS or something similar.

Or, just because no one else mentioned it, the Mossberg MVP.

Is there any particular reason why you want Stanag mags?

For myself, I'd have to go with a dependable takedown. Ardent has got me wanting to try to acquire/build a Ruger No.1, but I've still got a soft spot in my heart for a Browning BLR takedown. All I've got now is a H&R Handi rifle in .223, but that thing's way too heavy for what it is.
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You're more likely to find STANAG mags after a SHTF scenario than any other magazines. Same goes for .223.
Sure there's tons of 7.62x39 around now, but there wouldn't be after a crisis.
 
What kind of SHTF scenarios are you guys thinking? If this is a real civil unrest situation you will need thousands of rounds and a reliable rifle that does not require regular cleaning to keep runing. I have some freinds who came here from Bosnia where they would sometimes go through several thousand rounds in a single evening, when the barrel started to glow red they would dip it in a puddle or bucket of water and ,keep firing and repeat as needed. If your gun stopped firing you were dead.

Not something I would ever want to have to go through but sure makes you think about reliability in a whole new way in terms of SHTF
 
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For one, get two of whatever you plan on using for a SHTF gun, hell, get three. Yeah, your gonna have to drop that criteria too, those options are going to really limit you, and what I have read of the XCR, I am not gonna buy one, maybe in a couple of years when the bugs are 100% worked out. Anything by Keltec is pretty much not battle ready whatsoever (I have just read this on forums, not from personal experience, if you disagree, I cannot argue with you about this as I have never owned one, but they seem to break a lot, they just seem like fancy gimmicky toys to me, if I had not read so many bad things, I would own a couple by now)

SKS is my answer by the way. Stockpile non corrosive ammo.
 
Brian46 said:
What kind of SHTF scenarios are you guys thinking? If this is a real civil unrest situation you will need thousands of rounds and a reliable rifle that does not require regular cleaning to keep runing. I have some freinds who came here from Bosnia where they would sometimes go through several thousand rounds in a single evening, when the barrel started to glow red they would dip it in a puddle or bucket of water and ,keep firing and repeat as needed. If your gun stopped firing you were dead.

Not something I would ever want to have to go through but sure makes you think about reliability in a whole new way in terms of SHTF
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Bingo, well said. Better get something that can pump out 4000 rounds without being cleaned...
 
mikethebike said:
Bingo, well said. Better get something that can pump out 4000 rounds without being cleaned...
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Luckily we don't have regular access to RPKs and an abundance of x39 here.
I need to be able to carry my kit, emphasis on Bug Out - not Hunker Down.

Plus, even 4000rds is going to run out eventually. There's no source for x39 here if nobody is importing it.
Borrow, Beg, or Steal....5.56 will be around.
 
Gin said:
Looking for everyone's opinion on a Canadian bug out rifle.

I'm thinking something non-restricted, chambered for .223/5.56, and using STANAG magazines.

Reliability and weight will probably be chief concerns.
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lets be honest here, if SHTF, would it's classification really matter to you?
 
Evil_Edie said:
lets be honest here, if SHTF, would it's classification really matter to you?
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I think in that case the rules go out the window, but we're going on the premise that your restricted weapons might no longer be available to you.
 
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Defendertech said:
In a shtf scenario registration will mean confiscation of any firearms that you own. Non registered is a different story.
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What makes you think that?? When S#@ts going down and people are running for their lives you think the rcmp is gonna be like "okay guys, time to go round up every restricted firearm in the country" not gonna happen
 
Defendertech said:
In a shtf scenario registration will mean confiscation of any firearms that you own. Non registered is a different story.
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Actually, it's more or less the same situation. If the police show up with a warrant seizing your guns, and by process of which invalidating your firearms license and authorizations, then keeping your non-restricted gun is just as illegal as keeping your registered gun that they do know about. The only difference is how much they want to tear apart your house looking for all guns and ammo.

At this point, NR status is only a benefit to us now when the government is more or less willing to let them be. If SHTF and they come for all registered guns, what's so say they won't pass an emergency OIC prohibiting all military rifles back to the original Mauser and Springfield trapdoor?

No gun is safe, everything is a variant of something military, or can be claimed to be.

However, if they seize your guns, and then later they find out you kept a NR gun, are they going to treat you any different than if you had lied and said that your AR was in the mail to a gunsmith, and you lost the recipt, and it must have gotten misplaced? A lie is a lie, and an illegal gun is an illegal gun. The only difference is how long before you have to lie.
 
00aught said:
What makes you think that?? When S#@ts going down and people are running for their lives you think the rcmp is gonna be like "okay guys, time to go round up every restricted firearm in the country" not gonna happen
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SHTF doesn't have to be immediate, it could be a gradual process.
 
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