SHTF Rifle - Ideas
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I don't know. It's like my wife suddenly not wanting to ride in my fast car because of what happened to Paul Walker. I wouldn't want to run my life by the most unlikely things that could ever happen. However, we can learn from patterns of history - and it's probably quote prudent to be prepared from an educated point of view, not a hysterical one.
Yes, but if you read carefully: "more than a week after the flood". The advice most people give when surviving disaster is to move. You move you live, you stay you die. I don't doubt that crap like this happens, but if you're serious about protecting your family, you move with the herd, not stick around more than a week later. Anastasia wasn't being wise.
I don't doubt a firearm can be useful in self-defence, but I think it should be in context of moving with a group, not sticking around building a circle of wagons. People keep bringing up the outlying cases of Hurricane Katrina (of people who stuck around), but for the vast majority of people who just moved with the group and got out, they were unharmed. If you're serious about self preservation of yourself and your family, then it's just wise to go with the plan with the highest probability of success.
Where are the roving bands of bandits in the Tepco incident? Again, it supports what I said: people who moved, lived. People who stayed died. It had nothing to do with firearms, especially since there are none in Japan.
And if the reason for the SHTF is a widespread infection are you going to be moving with the, possibly infected, herd?
Superlative throws in lots of good points to a thread like this, which can become downright bizarre in very little time, leaving lots of figurative ammunition for the gun control types to use against us. When I combine my life observations and experiences with five semesters of study in the field of disaster and emergency management, it's cultivated both a sense of the need to become more prepared and resilient towards the shocks that disasters and other events can bring down upon us, but it has also provided lots of evidence against the more dramatic, doomsday scenarios that have become the subject of this thread. As a matter of fact, many of the commonly held myths about panic and the inevitability of looting in the wake of disaster have been proven false by researchers, but their common acceptance even among political bodies and responder agencies has done more to encourage the heavy handed reactions against gun owners that so many people here fear with considerable justification.
While I can think of some scenarios that might be used to challenge superlative's examples (i.e. the virtual breakdown of order in Albania during a period of the 1990s and perhaps the civil war/sectarian conflicts in places like the former Yugoslavia and present day Syria), even those examples had many other factors building up to them that we'd notice if they began to develop here. Though a native uprising or rogue Quebec government declaring independence in some bizarre future scenario are possible, they are sufficiently far enough out there that planning one's firearm acquisitions based upon them will suggest at least a smidgen of paranoia to say the least.
I am aware that there's a whole subculture made up of people across the political spectrum that point towards some inevitable economic crash due to failings in our fractional reserve banking system, growing government and private debts or the reckless adventures of the Federal Reserve, sometimes taking on very conspiratorial tones. But even if there's considerable truth to those concerns, it would hardly be in the interests of our potential adversaries (i.e. rising nations like China) or the so-called mysterious elites who might currently benefit from our economic system to let the whole thing fall apart. Yes, a perfect storm of mismanagement and unanticipated events could bring on another depression, but getting caught up in dystopian fantasies over something that would probably be just like previous recessions/depressions is problematic on several fronts.
I'm all for people preparing for disasters and planning for longer term resilience if that can fit into their life plans (i.e. homesteading, hobby-farming, etc), but I'd start off with a more reasonable focus. For instance, we can find experiences from the Mississauga train derailment in 1979 to the recent High River floods where people had to evacuate quickly, followed by gun confiscations in the latter example. In my mind, if someone for whom shooting and hunting means a great deal doesn't want to be left without firearms for an unspecified amount of time or feel completely helpless in the face of possible gun confiscation along the lines of High River, than by all means it could make sense to pre-plan to pack and take a few guns along with a bug out kit in the event of a sudden evacuation. And since Restricted guns cannot generally be taken along with us in such circumstances, I don't see anything wrong with a discussion about what kinds of non-restricted firearms might be worth acquiring on account of the advantages around where they can be used and how they are transported, but this is far from worrying about having the ability to take on some imaginary opponents in a future situation that mimics the Baltics. Being prepared for the worst is not a bad policy, but when it sounds like the belief in an inevitable collapse of everything around us, I think people are both missing the point of things and prone to cultivating a portrait of gun owners that could potentially do us great harm.
we are talking about the current potential for disaster as they are continuing to deal with leaking cooling ponds which require moving fuel rods, you obviously are not following current events, a minor mishap now will effect the whole world, not just japan.
here it is in a nutshell
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=040_1384817880
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An honest one.
It's a scenario worth analyzing. I'll have to think about it and read that website. I would definitely not stick around if there's gun fire on the streets.
why would you move if you are far enough away from the epicenter/already rural, have hunting and food sources close by along with clean water, generator to power everything, 100's of gallons of fuel, power storage ability, vehicles, supply sources close by, etc?
I wouldn't leave unless there was no other choice as it would be silly to relocate unless a tank is coming down on you and if my hand was somehow forced I would destroy or hide anything that wasn't coming with me, or make plans to take it back after a tactical retreat since you know your own place better than anyone else.
Stock up on liquor and cigarettes, they are good trading items for things you may need.
I wouldn't leave unless there was no other choice as it would be silly to relocate unless a tank is coming down on you and if my hand was somehow forced I would destroy or hide anything that wasn't coming with me, or make plans to take it back after a tactical retreat since you know your own place better than anyone else.
Stock up on liquor and cigarettes, they are good trading items for things you may need.
Well said Kevin. I just finished watching a documentary about Katrina. Police being interviewed claimed they could hear exchanges of automatic fire, and it stretched first responders to the point that many had to leave to take care of priority #1 - their families and themselves.
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Thank you C77, it is not something that I seen as helpfull to this post or realistic on any accounts. Prepping is not about being on the offensive, you prep so that you are not on the offensive. Please leave this thread however, as I feel that there is a lot of ground being covered in (for the most part) a cival manner.
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